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Re: Wannabe dictator struck with plague he casually dismissed
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2020, 09:57:59 am »
Wrong... I don’t use Reddit as a source for anything. Keep looking.

I dare say the burden is on you to give your sources.

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Re: Wannabe dictator struck with plague he casually dismissed
« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2020, 10:23:04 am »
Wrong... I don’t use Reddit as a source for anything. Keep looking.

Actually, you did use Reddit as a source whether you were aware of it at the time or not.

There is a minor typo in that screed, making it traceable through time to its origin point. And the very earliest posting, the Patient Zero if you will, is that doofus on Reddit.

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Re: Wannabe dictator struck with plague he casually dismissed
« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2020, 05:47:02 pm »

On  March 9, 2020 Bernie Sanders said he would NOT, I repeat he said he  would NOT shut down travel from March 20, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow (as well  as NY Times) bash Trump for talking about Hydroxy Cloroquin calling it a  "fairy tale" and giving people false hope. Now it is being sought after  to fight the disease and is being tested as helping patients recover  faster.

Just honing in on this fun bit of plagiary to point out how HCQ made up absolutely zero percent of POUTS' treatment plan.

Although it's possible he had a demonsperm cocktail, and mayhap even a bright UV beam aimed at his dusty orange asshole.

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Re: Wannabe dictator struck with plague he casually dismissed
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2020, 06:49:54 pm »
Wrong... I don’t use Reddit as a source for anything. Keep looking.

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Speaking for myself, I'm less interested in where you got the italicized-in-your-post text as a whole, than in sources for the specific claims made therein. Anyone can put words in a politician's mouth; can you demonstrate that the politicians, policymakers, pundits, etc to whom the various quotes are attributed actually said those things? (I'm not making a claim that any of them are fake, merely noting that there is no way to tell if they're real, pulled out of context, or invented - nor am I expecting you to have sources for each individual quote ready to hand, since you clearly simply copypasted a writeup that's making rounds.)

That's a side issue, though. What strikes me as most to the point is that it doesn't really demonstrate anything, and certainly doesn't rebut the 'casually dismissed' in the thread title. Even taking the quotes at face value, all it shows is that a) Trump spoke of something (that it was COVID-19 is implied, not stated) as being a “humanitarian and security crisis" in January (saying it in a speech may be declaring it in the lay sense; it's not the same as declaring it in a political sense), though he didn't take any action beyond speechifying, and b) organizations, and people other than Trump, have been wrong about COVID-19, and some have said things about it that (in retrospect, if not at the time) were foolish.

That Trump said the words 'humanitarian and security crisis' in January does not give him a free pass on casual dismissiveness since then - ISTM that his dismissiveness about mask-wearing alone is sufficient to justify the use of 'casually dismissed' in the thread title.

Nor does, 'But other people were wrong, too!' let him off any hooks.

BUT - I question strongly whether we can take those quotes at face value. I'll deal with just one example:

Jan  14 - the WHO (World Health Organization) sent out a tweet declaring  that there is no evidence of human-to-human transmission of the COVID-19  virus.

Here's the actual tweet itself. Note just how much context was omitted from the timeline you posted.

'Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus (2019-nCoV) identified in #Wuhan, #China🇨🇳.' (Emphases mine.)

On the same day, WHO also gave a news briefing, much more nuanced and detailed than can be contained in a 240-character tweet (though I imagine they also tweeted about and linked to the briefing). A key quote: '“From the information that we have it is possible that there is limited human-to-human transmission, potentially among families, but it is very clear right now that we have no sustained human-to-human transmission,” said Maria Van Kerkhove, acting head of WHO’s emerging diseases unit.'

Without any sourcing, there is no way to determine whether the other quotes similarly misrepresent what the person quoted actually said, but given the misrepresentation of WHO's position, it's reasonable to suppose that at least some, if not all, of the others, were similarly treated.

(More on the 'Trump said, WHO said' misrepresentation issue here (archived) or here (original). I found it almost by accident in the 'History' section of Wikipedia's article on 'Coronavirus disease 2019', while checking on when the first cases in North America were diagnosed - so, not at all hard to track down.)

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Re: Wannabe dictator struck with plague he casually dismissed
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2020, 08:05:55 pm »
Seriously? Casually dismissed? Plague? With a recovery rate of well >99%, and a US death toll of .06%?

'Plague', of course, is a colloquialism, but one in common use.

It seems, though, that the US death rate may be underestimated (first link to NBC News item on the study, second to the study itself). Also, tweet-thread:

Then there's the lack of nuance in the 'recovered, or dead?' binary; it elides the emerging evidence of long-term effects of COVID - what's coming to be referred to as 'Long COVID'.

Bottom line, this is not just 'this year's flu'; it's something we don't yet know a lot about (so, yes, people will say things that later turn out to be nonsense), but that we have evidence that it needs to be taken more seriously than Trump takes it. There's 'trying to avoid causing panic', and there's 'treating it lightly'; Trump might be trying to do the former, but his words and deeds amount to the latter.

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Re: Wannabe dictator struck with plague he casually dismissed
« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2020, 02:11:53 pm »
'Plague', of course, is a colloquialism

Also, one which has been used by POUTS.
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