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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2019, 07:05:09 pm »
Happy birthday for mid-December!

Thank you kindly  :)

I'm willing to give craft stores a pass on putting out holiday stuff early, because, you know, crafts take time but as for the rest of them ... *why?*

I admit I'm looking forward to the baking, too, but again, only in December.

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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2019, 01:21:00 am »
Also the music is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.

Traditional religious carols have gravitas, often vocal harmony, quality actual music.

(Also if you get me drunk and angry in December you have a 50% chance of getting me loudly and vengefully singing Adeste Fideles.  I... can't remember quite what got me on this the first time it happened but I think it was something about laughable historical inaccuracies.)

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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2019, 03:49:09 am »
Oddly, I much prefer religious carols over the secular Christmas songs. The latter often seem superficial and part of the commercialized 'Presents Day' part of the holiday that I really dislike.

You know, when I was a teen (mid-1970s) and listening (mostly) to Country & Western music, the stations would begin mixing in some Christmas songs (Gene Autry's Rudolph and the like) in the weeks after Thanksgiving; the last week before Christmas it would be about a 50/50 mix of Christmas and non-Christmas; Christmas Eve and Christmas would be solid Christmas songs. That worked, and worked well.

Now the station which I listen to most is wall-to-wall Christmas music starting early November. It's getting to where I can play "Name That Tune" with the first three notes or at most two bars. It's not like the repertoire changes much over the years...really now, how many original Christmas songs (not new takes on old songs) have come out in the past fifty years? And of those which have come out, how many of them are or at least appear to be in the process of becoming 'standards'? Lennon's "So This Is Christmas" (which I personally place about one step above "Santa Baby" or Spike Jones's "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus" in the execrable pile) is about the only one I can think of off the top of my head...and it came out in 1971! "Do They Know It's Christmas" may be another...but I'm not personally fond of musicians richer than I am scolding me for enjoying and giving thanks for my comfortable life during a season and time of thanksgiving and celebration. Other than that...anyone care to educate me?

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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2019, 09:31:57 pm »
... And of those which have come out, how many of them are or at least appear to be in the process of becoming 'standards'? Lennon's "So This Is Christmas" (which I personally place about one step above "Santa Baby" or Spike Jones's "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus" in the execrable pile) is about the only one I can think of off the top of my head...and it came out in 1971! "Do They Know It's Christmas" may be another...but I'm not personally fond of musicians richer than I am scolding me for enjoying and giving thanks for my comfortable life during a season and time of thanksgiving and celebration. Other than that...anyone care to educate me?

That provides me with my idea for this year for kicking off the 'Christmas songs you don't hate' companion thread; thank you! (Not that what I have in mind is really a 'standard', either; it's just what came up when my brain perceived A Challenge.)

To the thread in general:
When I saw that this thread had returned to the subtopic of Christmas music, my first thought was, 'Huh. Apparently Caudronites don't really have any other Christmas rants.' My second thought, though, was of a Cauldron Christmas Rant that is so much of an institution that, long ago, it used to have a thread of its own every year, which gradually morphed into just referring to it every year (by nicknames, yet!), and later still became simply 'if and as needed'.

I refer, of course, to Infamous Post 33, aka Koi's Christmas Post, wherein our onetime Staff Christian Theologian expounds knowledgeably on why Christmas Wasn't Stolen From the Pagans. The instance in which it was the 33rd post in a thread was one of its later iterations,  and even so is no longer directly accessible, though it's been copied on the current forum (itself a copy from the most recent archive board).

More recently (by which I still mean almost seven years ago), inspired by a particularly vigorous instance of wilful ignorance, Jenett took Koi's material, added further research of her own, and expanded it to include other holidays that are also mistakenly identified as 'stolen' (also available, with updates, on her Seeking site).

(While winkling those out of the forum, I also found this post by RecycledBenedict that adds still more detail on this - and other related - topics.)

So that's my rant: Christmas Wasn't Stolen From the Pagans, in the time-honored form of links to the history of the rant ;D.

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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2019, 11:21:11 pm »
Host note: For those who want to rant or rave more specifically about music, the traditional 'Christmas songs you hate' and its 'antidotes' counterpart will still be posted this year - but I'm not putting them up until December ;)!

Okay, I jumped the gun a smidgen (hey, 1 Dec is arriving in North America, and has already arrived in most of the rest of the world); they are up!

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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2019, 03:48:52 am »

Now the station which I listen to most is wall-to-wall Christmas music starting early November. It's getting to where I can play "Name That Tune" with the first three notes or at most two bars. It's not like the repertoire changes much over the years...really now, how many original Christmas songs (not new takes on old songs) have come out in the past fifty years? And of those which have come out, how many of them are or at least appear to be in the process of becoming 'standards'? Lennon's "So This Is Christmas" (which I personally place about one step above "Santa Baby" or Spike Jones's "I Saw Mommy Kissing Santa Claus" in the execrable pile) is about the only one I can think of off the top of my head...and it came out in 1971! "Do They Know It's Christmas" may be another...but I'm not personally fond of musicians richer than I am scolding me for enjoying and giving thanks for my comfortable life during a season and time of thanksgiving and celebration. Other than that...anyone care to educate me?


Stop the Cavalry by Jona Lewie would come under unique and a regular.
The Darkness's Christmas time is also unique but not nearly as well used ( althoug it does at one point suddenly have a host of children singing as per so many Christmas songs, however, how many Christmas song videos end with an alien spaceship taking off? ), then theres Chris De Burgh's A Spaceman came travelling.. for more recent though I'm stuck.

I just hate the thing that happens ( all year ) of taking a great song and revamping it into an awful one

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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2019, 01:57:58 pm »
Anyway here's a thread for the most "wonderful" time of the year. I would like Christmas more if there were less of it.

I like Christmas, but it stresses me out something awful. Like I love the lights and decorations, and gift giving. I like showing people I care by doing my hardest to get them something they will like.

But the stress of not enough time, or money always gets me. Then there's the inevitable extended family gathering...
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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2019, 02:00:03 pm »
Anyway here's a thread for the most "wonderful" time of the year. I would like Christmas more if there were less of it.

I like Christmas, but it stresses me out something awful. Like I love the lights and decorations, and gift giving. I like showing people I care by doing my hardest to get them something they will like.

But the stress of not enough time, or money always gets me. Then there's the inevitable extended family gathering...
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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2019, 03:25:06 pm »
I like Christmas, but it stresses me out something awful. Like I love the lights and decorations, and gift giving. I like showing people I care by doing my hardest to get them something they will like.

But the stress of not enough time, or money always gets me. Then there's the inevitable extended family gathering...

I'm working on getting round some of that by ( yes, like the stores ) starting early - I've got most cards written and just have present wrapping left ( phew ). Presents are kept to a minimum but, like you said, as personal as possible. My family sort themselves out by coming round at different times in the week before..
Anyway, just thought this might help give you options to cut the stress

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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2019, 06:42:10 pm »
I'm working on getting round some of that by ( yes, like the stores ) starting early

Me too; I try to have my gift shopping done before December 1 (I've also learned the hard way to avoid Black Friday). It's kind of the same principal as make-ahead meals; getting the annoying tasks squared away beforehand, so that when the actual event arrives you can relax and enjoy it.

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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #25 on: December 10, 2019, 03:51:45 pm »
Me too; I try to have my gift shopping done before December 1 (I've also learned the hard way to avoid Black Friday). It's kind of the same principal as make-ahead meals; getting the annoying tasks squared away beforehand, so that when the actual event arrives you can relax and enjoy it.

I really planned on doing this...I ordered one thing back before October...then I kinda forgot and got busy, and now I'm working on trying to finish everything up and get things ordered!!!
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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #26 on: December 10, 2019, 05:53:54 pm »
I really planned on doing this...I ordered one thing back before October...then I kinda forgot and got busy, and now I'm working on trying to finish everything up and get things ordered!!!

Me too - I was so pleased with myself when I started by buying one gift back in late May and then several more at Pagan Pride South (England) in August … but then it stopped, and here we are in almost mid-December and I'm beginning to panic!  Argh.
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Re: It has begun ... (annual Christmas rant thread)
« Reply #27 on: December 10, 2019, 09:51:31 pm »
Me too - I was so pleased with myself when I started by buying one gift back in late May and then several more at Pagan Pride South (England) in August … but then it stopped, and here we are in almost mid-December and I'm beginning to panic!  Argh.

Ahhh, Christmas.  A couple years ago, Walmart actually put up the fake Christmas trees display in the lawn and garden center in June.  I kid you not.  Customers and employees alike were going, "Whyyyyy????" Thankfully, it was never that early again!  But I'm totally used to seeing Christmas supplies show up in stores as early as August and I'm just... NO.  Nooooo.....

Technically, I love Christmas, but there's just so much around it that wears at the soul.  So, I just choose not to focus on that!  For the longest time my family couldn't really afford gifts, so we focused less on gifts and more on each other, spending time together, finding silly gifts that we'd still use to make each other laugh.  Even now I'm more inclined to make something or find something significant and less likely to go out of my way looking for something expensive. 

This year, it's candles in mason jar shooters!  Except for my parents.  I found a record album with "their" song as the cover and totally nabbed it! 

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