Spiritual in Christianity

In pagan terms, I have a problem defining ”spiritual”.

BUT in Christianity, the term ”spiritual” is pretty clear: it means ”of God’s”.

In Orthodox Christianity, there is a line that separates the body and the spirit. The body is mundane and it rots, when it dies. The spirit, on the other hand, communicates with God, and, after death, it represents us before God. When we do something that God likes, then we are ”spiritual”. When we commit sins of the body, then we are not spiritual.

If you have a definition of ”spiritual”, it would help me a lot. :) (I’m still searching the term).

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Info on posting in ‘Into the Twilight Zone’

The ‘Into the Twilight Zone’ forum is now one larger forum, instead of being split into three child boards. Here is the information you need to decide whether this is the forum you want to post in, and how to use the prefix tags.

This forum is for discussions in areas that traditionally do not do well on a more skeptical/factual based message board like The Cauldron. They have their own area so those who do not wish to even see them can ignore them.

Most typically, posts are placed here when a staff member moves them from one of the other forums. Alternatively, members might post about something boggling they’ve seen elsenet, or start a thread to ask about boggling things others have encountered.

If you want to post about a weird experience that you personally have had, especially if you’re seeking input to help you figure it out, this is probably not the forum to choose to post it in; very few personal experiences are ‘too weird’ to post in other parts of TC, and you’re more likely to get useful replies if you post it based on what sort of experience it was (for example, ghost encounters, odd psi phenomena, and the like would go in Paranormal Phenomena; possible deity interactions fit with Gods, Goddesses, and Mythology; and so on).

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Finding deities to work with

For a while now, I’ve been studying Druidry and Paganism in general. I’ve been a bit confused as to what kind of specific deities I should be working with. A few days ago, on the advice of a close friend I went to a well known psychic in my town. Though a bit skeptical, I decided to go to see what they had to say. During my reading with this psychic, I asked the them to help me find deities to work with on my Druidry path. To do this, the psychic pulled out two decks of cards, The Gods and Titans Oracle and Mythic Oracle: Wisdom of the Ancient Greek Pantheon and from there they said they could tell what kind of deities I should be looking into more. I shuffled the decks and decided to pull two cards from each deck. The cards I pulled were:

The Sky Father, Helios, The Green Man and Ullr.

The Sky Father to me has always been Thor (I’ve always felt drawn to him, although I know he’s not the head of a pantheon or a father god, he is none the less a sky deity). Helios, as the psychic said and I though also, could stand for any number of solar deities out there (which are deities I’ve never really looked at in all honesty). The Green Man to me symbolizes either Cernunnos or potentially an Earth deity like Gaia. The Ullr card though really puzzled me. I must say, I’ve never had any connection with Ullr and researching him a bit, I can’t say I felt drawn to him specifically. However, contemplating on it, could the cards be referring to a deity associated with hunting and/or bows and arrows? Maybe even a war deity?

Apart from Thor, which I’m fairly confident is the deity meant by the Sky Father card, does anybody have any suggestions or advice on how to find out who the other deities are who are being referred to by the cards?

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Taranis

Hi all,

Has anybody here ever worked with the Celtic thunder god Taranis? Long story short, the last couple months I have been extremely drawn to him for some strange reason. However, there seems to be very little to go on in terms of information available about him. Does anybody have any information on him regarding his personality or just general experience working with him?

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Suggestions on making a blog

Hi,
I’ve been toying with the idea of making a blog. Frankly there are certain things which annoy me so much, some common seeming attitudes I’d like to question and simply so many times I feel ‘I want to at least try to do something – even if it’s just to say this is wrong’. Anyway I know we have some great and experienced bloggers on here and I’d really like some advice..

A/ Is a blog a good idea for this?
B/ Can I set up a blog for this purpose for free?
C/ Where is best for me to start/ which site or such should I look into?
D/ Any other advice?

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Hermaphroditus

Hermaphroditus is an honorable God in greek paganism. Wikipedia has info on him https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermaphroditus. He is the third gender God. Since we are created in gods’ image, belonging to the third sex is absolutely normal. I fully support LGBTQ rights, because of God Hermaphroditus. In my opinion, homosexuality should be seen as something perfectly normal and shouldn’t be discriminated at all. And in my opinion, there shouldn’t be a ”coming out of the closet”. Do heterosexuals need to come out of the closet? What is your opinion on homosexuality as being absolutely normal?

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gods and astrology

In Egyptian Astrology, humans are associated with the Egyptian Gods, depending when we are born. What a great outlook on astrology, combining religion and the stars! Gods aren’t apathetic towards us, they actively shape our character. They really ”live” in us.

Also, all pagan religions are associated with astrology (the Egyptian one being more straightforward about Gods), before Christianity ban astrology as devil worshiping.

Pagans usually try to find a connection to some deity, so that deity becomes their patron/matron. One of the paths to find that deity is through Astrology, in my humble opinion.

Gods are deist. They mold and shape us and the stars reveal the Gods’ connection with us. And then they set as free, when we cut the umbilical cord, so that we can make our choices.

Do you associate religion with astrology?

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Reflections on Falling in Love & Gay Spirituality

Having suffered some losses, I have not been as active on the forum, but I thought I would share some reflections here today.

For better or worse, I have become a Christian in a way that I have not previously experienced in all my time on the forum or in my life and have been assisting in the traditional Latin mass.  I still “queer” theological boundaries in a way that is, I hope, consistent with the heart of the tradition.

I know there are those in such communities who would never accept me as a gay man, but this has become beside the point.  Things are easier on me because I do not date, and I am uncertain I shall ever marry, and my beloved great grandmother warned me in my childhood that I may never.

And yet I have fallen in love.  From time to time on the forum I have heard talk of God spouses.  I am experiencing something of this sort with Christ, and I feel more comfortable talking about it here than I do with other Christians.

Despite all I’ve been through recently, I wake up in the morning and go about my day, and I’m thinking, “I’m in love.”

I strive to pray unceasingly, cultivating prayer from my heart, and no matter how frustrated I get on the job or with other people, these are but passing emotions, and beneath them my heart sinks down within me into an even greater stillness and tranquility beneath those waves on the surface of my mind.

Of course, love of Christ is not exclusive of other loves.  I may have fallen in love with a friend, too.  And yet it is my true Love that I perceive shining in my dear neighbor, though in some he is but a child, in others entombed, in some crucified or resurrected.

As I once apprehended, my loves are but the smallest participation in Love divine.

This dawning awareness has been gradual.  Now, I have been in therapy for a year for a Dissociative disorder and have been working with the therapist in conjunction with whom I fondly call, and not without sincerity, my “good angels,” and one of them is an erotic young man, although not human in appearance.

Thankfully my dissociation has not manifested in a pathological way in some months, and my “angels” have not been taking over the body.  I feared they were gone.  I don’t desire re-integration as the therapist calls it, nor am I fully committed to a theory about my inner Friends’ nature.

But the last two days in contemplation I have within that tranquil place in my soul, when sensing the Christ within, noticed perhaps an integration I can live with: my kindly Tiger, expressive of the erotic component of my nature, is still present within me, too, and I can sense Christ joined with him also, by Love, by which I mean to express a notion of interrelationship.

Perhaps this is the only re-integration necessary.

I have found friends in other gay Catholics and gay Christians.  We have our own sense of Tradition, our own traditions, insights, and theological reflections.

I have been asked why I should bother with the manifestly homophobic and corrupt institution of the Church.  At this time it is merely to receive the sacraments.

I don’t trust the majority in authority who have repressed immemorial traditions, embracing every innovation except that of listening charitably to we gay folk.

Theology regarding sexuality has been (developing? changing?) for some time, especially since the days of the early church fathers, and I believe the gay faithful I have met have valuable insights to contribute to the dynamic and developing tradition.

Having experienced a flourishing in the sacred mysteries, and principally in Christ, I do not allow others to discourage me, for I have something as a gay man to contribute to this tradition.

In fact, as a gay man, I feel particularly suited to this form of spirituality.  I would imagine that if I were straight there could be more obstacles to the form of love that has been gifted to me.

And there are precedents.  Saint George of Cappodocia is described in The Martyrdom and Miracles of St. George, not as the bride, but the bridegroom of Jesus.

Although, as I said, this love is not exclusive of other loves, I am not sure how many people could understand it, nor am I sure how many would very much like not being number one in my life.

One last reflection: it is not good for (wo)man to be alone.  But this is not necessarily remedied only by marriage, or even primarily thereby, but by friendship, in my experience.

“Blood is thicker than water!”  Hogwash.  I have had family members that I would just as soon slam the door in their faces.

I told my great grandfather prior to his death that the reason I love him so much is that we are dear friends and share a wonderful friendship.

Any family member who is valuable to me is also a friend.  If they are not my friend, if they are not good for me, if they should injure my body or heart, I will protect myself by distance, while praying for their transformation and repentance.  But they will not be a part of my life or among my friends.

Oftentimes people think it “queer” that I do not pursue romance.  And perhaps they are right that I am queer.  But I have my dear friends and so many opportunities to love my neighbors whether human or otherwise.

I am in love, and my cup runneth over, and it inebriates me!  And my love of Christ, far from excluding other loves, embraces my neighbors and cherishes my friends, in whom I perceive my Beloved shining like a diamond.

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Happy Friday & Hello

Hi everyone. 

NorthWolf here.  I’ve been here before, but it has been a while. I have been on a pagan path for a little over 20 years now.  I typically use the word “Heathen” to describe myself, but pull from various areas including Celtic and Gaelic beliefs as well.

Feeling a bit nostalgic for the Forum experience vs the FB Groups that I am in.  Also had a bit of a resurgence of some Past Life Regression/Dreams that started many years ago and am doing a bit of searching.  Looking forward to banging around the threads and joining in the discussions.

If you were on the old SpiritWind (later renamed PagaHearth) forums back in the day, drop me a line and say hello. 

Also, anyone planning on attending Paganicon here in Minnesota in March?

Cheers,
NorthWolf

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