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Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« on: July 06, 2012, 06:16:21 pm »
The path I'm currently going down (CR... probably... maybe) is majorlly earth based, which is completely lovely, and the main reason it (and paganism in general) called to me in the first place. Because I've just recently moved into a little house in a nice lovely field with a good bit of trees and a seepy spring, I've been totally happy and have begun trying to get to know this land and the rhythms of its nature. The only problem? TICKS. I'm not sure what these guys are like outside of the south-eastern US, but the way I would put it is HELL. They're a little smaller that the nail on your little finger, round, flat, eight legs, and they act like nefarious heat-seeking missiles. If I so much as step onto my front porch this time of year I find one crawling up my leg... or worse; I DON'T find it. It will then seek out the darkest warmest place on my body, chomp down, and hang there as it slowly fills with my blood. If you don't find them fast (And if they bite in certain areas, it can be days) They get big. BIG. To get them off you need tweezers or fire, and if you aren't careful, the head will remain, and what follows THAT are scenarios dwelling only in my darkest nightmares...

Sorry for the drama, but I suppose everyone has their totally rational irrational fears? Anyway, the point is that in a perfect world I'd be meditating under a tree right now, not moping indoors on my laptop, but this current plague of horrible little monsters is deterring me. It's a small stupid thing, but for those of you also following earth-based religions, how do you deal with natures abominable horrors little inconveniences?
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Re: Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2012, 07:23:40 pm »
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Sorry for the drama, but I suppose everyone has their totally rational irrational fears? Anyway, the point is that in a perfect world I'd be meditating under a tree right now, not moping indoors on my laptop, but this current plague of horrible little monsters is deterring me. It's a small stupid thing, but for those of you also following earth-based religions, how do you deal with natures abominable horrors little inconveniences?


The thing about this planet is that there are flowers and rainbows and ticks and cholera all in the same space, and I think being "earth-based" doesn't mean you have to tolerate every little bug that tries to make a meal out of you, especially if that bug can give you Lyme disease.

I remember getting into a debate with someone who insisted that the right thing to do with bugs that come into one's house is to shoo them away, but if I'm say, allergic to bee stings, or in an area where black widow spiders make their home, I'm not just going to shoo it (especially if small children or pets are around). At that moment self-preservation takes precedence over harmony with all living creatures.

Obviously, I think you're going to have to adapt to your circumstances, and that might mean not going outside as often as you'd like, or looking for some sort of natural tick repellant (I don't have any experience with ticks, so I can't help you there).

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Re: Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2012, 07:48:45 pm »
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.. Sorry for the drama, but I suppose everyone has their totally rational irrational fears? Anyway, the point is that in a perfect world I'd be meditating under a tree right now, not moping indoors on my laptop, but this current plague of horrible little monsters is deterring me. It's a small stupid thing, but for those of you also following earth-based religions, how do you deal with natures abominable horrors little inconveniences?

I'd say your learning the critical lesson of nature, it's not all happy happy and death and pain are as much a truth in nature as life and birth.  They're not monsters thier parts of the natural order of things and serve thier purpose as well as the bee's who pollinates the plants.

Your best bet is to keep the lawn short and well cut.  Then even that is not a guarentee it just makes it harder for them to grab a ride on any warm blooded creature that happens to come by.

Though it sounds like seed ticks are what your talking about vice the larger wood ticks or the slightly rounder and larger deer ticks that carry lyme disease.  Either way they are a pain in the butt for sure.
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Re: Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2012, 08:15:11 pm »
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 For ticks, I find that a lit incense punk (the sticks) works well for controlled fire on ticks. If you can stand the stupidity of them, guinea fowl allowed to range at will are supposed to eat ticks like they're going out of style. Free-range chickens will do the same, if you prefer them.

As for being land-focused with nasty natural stuff, sometimes the good of all comes before the good of a few. I just hoed a 3 foot square of land down to bare dirt, bagged the trash, and soaked the area in white vinegar to kill everything. Why? We had a dodder infestation. Its a parasite that chokes and destroys whatever it touches, and is ridiculously hard to kill. Given the choice between a small section of slash-n-burn salt-the-earth type of thing and a wholesale infestation that would require calling in the county and laying down massive amounts of poison? I'll choose the mini-Apocalypse every time.
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Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2012, 08:30:13 pm »
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It's a small stupid thing, but for those of you also following earth-based religions, how do you deal with natures abominable horrors little inconveniences?

Franky, I don't think it's small or stupid.  Ticks carry Lyme disease, which is not something to play around with.

I can't speak to the spiritual question you're asking because my path isn't particularly earth centered.  Also, I hate ticks with a passion, and I think fleas are tiny bits of mindless, insatiable evil with legs. I have no problem killing them whatsoever.  Especially when they're on my cats, which is the current problem.

But I can offer a helpful hint about removing ticks.  Instead of the fire or alcohol method, just cover it with liquid soap, wait a minute or two, and remove with tweezers.  I think the liquid soap either suffocates or irritates the tick, and causes it to pull its head out.  

We've had occasion to test this method a few times this summer and it's worked beautifully every time.

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Re: Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2012, 01:21:04 pm »
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Sorry for the drama, but I suppose everyone has their totally rational irrational fears? Anyway, the point is that in a perfect world I'd be meditating under a tree right now, not moping indoors on my laptop, but this current plague of horrible little monsters is deterring me. It's a small stupid thing, but for those of you also following earth-based religions, how do you deal with natures abominable horrors little inconveniences?

 
I feel you on this one-- lots of sympathy here!  I love the earth, and in a perfect world I'd be living in the woods somewhere, hugging trees.  But all kinds of bugs give me the heebie-jeebies, and I'm not so naive to think that some of those bugs could negatively affect my health in little and BIG ways.  I think it's about balance, keeping things in perspective, and accepting that not everything about the earth is rainbows and butterflies.  And we have to remember, the earth is not here simply for humans-- it's for all creatures, the good and the unpleasant and the scary and the beautiful and everything in between.  And that includes bugs.

That said, if you're area is infested with ticks, I'd look for a chemical-free way to get rid of them, if you can.  At least so they will stay a safe distance way from your home.  So you can meditate under the tress like you want. :)

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Re: Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2012, 04:25:06 pm »
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...tick talk...


Garlic extract works well for keeping ticks corralled. Ticks don't like to hang out where it has been sprayed, but it does wear off in a couple of weeks and needs to be re-applied.

As far as dealing with "nature", I just follow common sense precautions. Chiggers, ticks, snakes, wasps, et. al. are just trying to make it in this world like everything else and as long as they don't jack with me, I leave them alone. If I'm "out in the woods" so to speak, I adjust my behavior to my surroundings. I try to find harmony with the environment, not change it to suit my perception of what it should be.

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Re: Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2012, 08:19:41 pm »
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I like most animals and to the ones not likeable I am often at least indifferent to.
But ticks need to be killed with fire, napalm, atomic explosions! UGH.

Those beasts are dangerous and disgusting.
Don't suffer them.

Now what I know about the pest.

They go for smell, it's not body heat, but often the sweat that attracts them. There is stuff to put on, that helps to keep them away.
They sit in low bushes and the grass, they don't drop down from trees. Make sure to wear light-colored, long legged pants, socks and shoes - if possible. If you find them crawling on you - pick them off and crush 'em.

When you've been outside check yourself for them, they need a few hours normally, before they find a spot to settle. Get help checking the back, neck and other places you won't see.

If you find one that's attached already - DON'T PANIC.
Really. It takes a bit time, till infection can occur. The sooner you remove the tick, the better. DON'T squish it with a tweezer, don't take fire to its behind, don't put oil, glue or the likes on it.

The danger is the stuff they release into your blood, in death throes they will literally vomit all the crap into your system.

Last thing I heard from a friend is, that the doctors started to just shave the tick off. Yes, I know the head will stay inside, but actually that's not the real problem. The unhealthy stuff is in the body of the tick and it must get off of you asap. The head will often come out with the scab the body patches the wound up with.

So... that's about it.
Of course you always can slash and burn the area, if all things fail.
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« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2012, 08:26:33 pm »
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.. They go for smell, it's not body heat, but often the sweat that attracts them. There is stuff to put on, that helps to keep them away..


I did not know that.  I always assumed heat as they cling to nearly any warm blooded creature but since they are also found on cold blooded creatures smell makes more sense.

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« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2012, 08:29:17 pm »
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I did not know that.  I always assumed heat as they cling to nearly any warm blooded creature but since they are also found on cold blooded creatures smell makes more sense.


It explains also, why some dogs are tick magnets and others are not.
Depends obviously on the body chemestry and the smell the individual dog has got.

I was lucky, my dear puppy was not a tick magnet. He usually had a few, but even in bad tick years it wouldn't be more than four or five.
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Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2012, 03:47:23 pm »
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It's a small stupid thing, but for those of you also following earth-based religions, how do you deal with natures abominable horrors little inconveniences?

Bug spray, citronella candles. Screened porches. I might love nature, but that's no reason to get eaten by skeeters or catch Lyme disease. When the bugs are too bad, enjoy nature behind the screens. Or find an area that's less buggy.

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Re: Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2012, 07:31:12 pm »
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Bug spray, citronella candles. Screened porches. I might love nature, but that's no reason to get eaten by skeeters or catch Lyme disease.

 
Agreed.  There's nothing in the cosmic rule book that says loving nature means that you have to like being eaten by it.  I'm a magnet to mosquitoes and ticks, so I can sympathize with the OP.  I have to make sure that my arms, legs, and head are covered whenever I'm out in the woods if I don't want to become lunch for half the insects in the state.
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Re: Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2012, 02:19:40 pm »
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It's a small stupid thing, but for those of you also following earth-based religions, how do you deal with natures abominable horrors little inconveniences?

 
I spend a lot of time in our woods during the summer, and this is a banner year for ticks. I dislike putting insect repellants with DEET in them on my skin, so I wear long sleeves and long pants and put a little spray on the cuffs. There are sprays with no DEET (I think one has eucalyptus) but they don't work as well. Note also that some ticks are fond of climbing up shrubs and jumping on you as you brush by them. So far I've only had one tick on me this year.
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Re: Earth Based Religion... but bugs!
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2012, 02:43:05 pm »
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Agreed.  There's nothing in the cosmic rule book that says loving nature means that you have to like being eaten by it.  I'm a magnet to mosquitoes and ticks, so I can sympathize with the OP.  I have to make sure that my arms, legs, and head are covered whenever I'm out in the woods if I don't want to become lunch for half the insects in the state.


Underline mine.

The one thing so many forget is that once you enter nature your either a preditor or prey though many will hold both at the same time.  Humans forget they are not the top of the food chain once they exit their home and cross into the boundry of civilized and uncivilized.  In fact were just another animal that can be feed upon.

Ticks are pretty bad in our area this year so I try to wear light colors when I go in the woods or fields so they show up.  Makes it a issue to try and pass unseen but one i'll gladly trade off vice having a bunch of ticks bitting in.

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« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2012, 05:23:11 pm »
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I remember getting into a debate with someone who insisted that the right thing to do with bugs that come into one's house is to shoo them away, but if I'm say, allergic to bee stings, or in an area where black widow spiders make their home, I'm not just going to shoo it (especially if small children or pets are around). At that moment self-preservation takes precedence over harmony with all living creatures.

 
Absolutely agree with this.  I tend to shoo most things - except for jumping spiders, I let them hang around to eat other bugs - but our area has a major ant problem.  If I don't do anything about it, they'll literally swarm my kitchen.  So I scatter the diatomaceous earth around my doors, and it ends up killing quite a few of them, but my home is ant-free all summer.  You have to be willing to draw the line somewhere!
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