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r2squared

Altars: Private or Visible?
« on: June 28, 2012, 12:34:10 am »
I'm interested in learning the pros and cons of having a personal, private altar stored away for only the most important purposes; or having a visible, fairly inconspicuous altar set up for daily dedications and other purposes.
I'm certain it all has to do with an individual, that individual's social and physical environment, and one's spirituality.

I myself have a very elaborate altar set up in my bedroom complete with statues, wall candles, and a very convenient bookshelf right next to it. Since I live in a fairly liberal house, and most of my friends are rather indifferent to religion as a whole, I see no problem with it. I also love the feng shui it gives to my bedroom.

In your experience, which if any (private or visible), was more effective?

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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2012, 12:40:29 am »
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I'm interested in learning the pros and cons of having a personal, private altar stored away for only the most important purposes; or having a visible, fairly inconspicuous altar set up for daily dedications and other purposes.
I'm certain it all has to do with an individual, that individual's social and physical environment, and one's spirituality.

I myself have a very elaborate altar set up in my bedroom complete with statues, wall candles, and a very convenient bookshelf right next to it. Since I live in a fairly liberal house, and most of my friends are rather indifferent to religion as a whole, I see no problem with it. I also love the feng shui it gives to my bedroom.

In your experience, which if any (private or visible), was more effective?

 
I've never had a hidden altar, so I don't have any experiences concerning that. My visible altar at home however doesn't always pass off as a sacred space to those not in the know about my faith. This can be a good thing, considering the fact that I'm still 'in the broomcloset' to my family members. But they also treat it like any other surface top, often messing with the items or leaving trash lying around. I can't exactly ask them to treat it with respect without having them ask questions I'm not quite ready to answer.

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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2012, 01:57:23 am »
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In your experience, which if any (private or visible), was more effective?


Well, this depends upon the Gods and Goddesses themselves.  Some of them don't mind if their shrines are visible to anyone who walks by, other Gods and Goddesses prefer their shrines to be kept away from public view.  

It depends.  

One of my shrines is hidden away in my closet since that's where that particular Goddess wanted Her shrine.  

Other shrines are on top of bookshelves in my room, visible to anyone who walks in my room.
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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2012, 02:16:31 am »
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In your experience, which if any (private or visible), was more effective?


I've had altars set up full time in my bedroom and home before. The problem is is when I don't maintain it properly or when the incense ashes become too dense- the energy stagnates. I'll try to explain it the best I can. Um. I'll walk about, running errands, going to work and I'll feel dead inside. Nothing is as bright as it used to. Things don't click. I feel slow mentally and can't reach for that connection to spirit that I'm used to feeling all the time. A few days will go by and I'll look over and go oh damn, time to clean this up. Do a dusting, any polishing, move stuff around as I feel necessary then the connection springs up again and everything feels better instantly.

Due to recent circumstances forcing me to move many times in the last 6 months, I haven't had an altar set up at all. But at the same time, it's really all a mind set. My 4 months living in a tiny house in BFE, TN was some of the deepest spiritual work of my life. Without an altar. I attest it to the solitude and non-floridated well water, but that's just my observation.

If I feel necessary to do a meditation where I feel it necessary to be surrounded by all of my bells and whistles, I keep a box full of items sacred to me. Tada, instant altar.

I don't keep my beliefs secret. Anyone walking into my home can see that I'm not the average "Christian," but at the same time, an altar is something special and sacred to me. Its not something I keep on display. I don't hide my altar nor do I flaunt it.
It is what it is for me.

I hope that made sense. Expressing personal feelings isn't the easiest of things, you know?

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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2012, 04:49:42 am »
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I'm interested in learning the pros and cons of having a personal, private altar stored away for only the most important purposes; or having a visible, fairly inconspicuous altar set up for daily dedications and other purposes.
In your experience, which if any (private or visible), was more effective?


I have a private working space set up in my bedroom on top of a seaman's style chest of drawers (considering my favourite element is the Ocean, seems highly appropriate to me!  :))  Upon it is my Tarot, my Crystal Ball, my wand, my healing crystals, my Deity representations and offering bowls, my oil burner and altar chest full of oils to burn, a dish of incense, a vase of seasonal flowers, some candles and a little area which is a shrine to my ancient elders

but I also have little areas all around the place devoted to different things, protection charms hanging about, dragons and gargoyles "charged" with looking after different things, mirrors placed in certain places to protect the occupants... crystal geodes placed in specific areas to boost good vibrations and so fourth... it's a very magical space, my home,

even my garden has special "witchy" places going on in it, like the Moon flowers part, or the Herb garden part... and for me, I would call them "effective" yep

so I say it's kind-of OK for both...

Depends on who you live with, who visits the area, what your (and maybe their) beliefs are, what you set up the altars for and all that kind of thing, really,

I am very open about my spirituality and beliefs and practices, and do not hide much away at all, and certainly don't apologize for them...
there have been a few comments and questions from people...  not of my persuasion...  but then I say live and let live, I wouldn't make comments about anothers' home... it would just be rude!  ;)

When you say effective... depends what you mean...  I wouldn't attempt to do circle work with the area on the window ledge in my kitchen where I have a little Homage to the elements set up... it's just there to please my eye... to express my path life in a creative and artistic way...  same with the little area I have set up to the 5 senses on the window ledge at the top of my hallway stairs...

but my bedroom working space has seen plenty of workings and I have had plenty of positive feedback so I think it's fair for me to say yep, it's been effective...
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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2012, 08:09:02 am »
Quote from: r2squared;61809

In your experience, which if any (private or visible), was more effective?

 
I differentiate between shrines and altars (shrines are devotional spaces for a particular deity or concept, altars are a working tool in their own right, and also hold other working tools.)

I've generally had at least one shrine up all the time over the last 10+ years (usually a general one and an ancestor/beloved dead one), but how much they *look* like a shrine varies a lot.

(Right now, I've just taken everything down but the ancestor one - which doesn't look like a shrine - because I'm a) about to move and the current place is getting shown periodically, b) the (new in April) cat is still prone to 'knock things off flat surfaces for amusement' stage and c) moving, so I need to revamp everything anyway, so something new will go up on the new place's built in bookshelves in a week or so.)

The benefits of having something up all the time for me include:
- I get benefit out of walking by it, having even a momentary "Oh, right, shrine" reaction to it, even if I'm so busy or so tired I don't have space for anything more elaborate.

- It reduces the inertia for devotional work (if I had to go find an appropriate cup for water, or the candle and lighter, or whatever, I'd use them a lot less.) There have been months - years - of my life where this is really critical, though it's finally getting less so.

- Lots of practical use for ongoing goal stuff - however I decide to set that up, the shrine is a useful place to center reminders/small workings.

The cons:
- If you rent and don't want to reveal your religion to your landlord, you have to negotiate what's visible when they come in, or be prepared to pack stuff up quickly, etc. etc.

- If it's in a public part of your living space, other people may not realise it's a shrine, and may put stuff on it you'd rather they didn't. (Glasses, mugs, their house keys, etc.)

- If it's in a private but shared space (like a bedroom you share with a partner/spouse/whatever) you may not have much working access to it at times they're sleeping/sick/whatever.

- Stuff that's out all the time will eventually collect dust, so a permanent shrine needs at least semi-regular tending. Some people are better at this than others.

On average, the pros are much bigger for me than the cons, but (as mentioned above) there are specific moments in my life (like this week and next) when taking the shrine down is easier than having it up.
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« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2012, 09:31:40 am »
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I've had altars set up full time in my bedroom and home before. The problem is is when I don't maintain it properly or when the incense ashes become too dense- the energy stagnates. I'll try to explain it the best I can. Um. I'll walk about, running errands, going to work and I'll feel dead inside. Nothing is as bright as it used to. Things don't click. I feel slow mentally and can't reach for that connection to spirit that I'm used to feeling all the time. A few days will go by and I'll look over and go oh damn, time to clean this up. Do a dusting, any polishing, move stuff around as I feel necessary then the connection springs up again and everything feels better instantly.

Due to recent circumstances forcing me to move many times in the last 6 months, I haven't had an altar set up at all. But at the same time, it's really all a mind set. My 4 months living in a tiny house in BFE, TN was some of the deepest spiritual work of my life. Without an altar. I attest it to the solitude and non-floridated well water, but that's just my observation.

If I feel necessary to do a meditation where I feel it necessary to be surrounded by all of my bells and whistles, I keep a box full of items sacred to me. Tada, instant altar.

I don't keep my beliefs secret. Anyone walking into my home can see that I'm not the average "Christian," but at the same time, an altar is something special and sacred to me. Its not something I keep on display. I don't hide my altar nor do I flaunt it.
It is what it is for me.

I hope that made sense. Expressing personal feelings isn't the easiest of things, you know?

 
You actually touched on something I did want to discuss with everyone who has a visible altar. How do you recommend cleaning it? I've been iffy about using chemical products like Pine Sol or Pledge. Also, is it a common practice to consistantly move around objects on your altar? Going with what Aryel said, I feel as though that definitely helps to sort of "stir up" the energy, if that makes any sense.

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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2012, 09:36:32 am »
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it's just there to please my eye... to express my path life in a creative and artistic way...

 
Yay, I'm glad I'm not the only one who incorporates a little creativity into a set up XD

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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2012, 10:11:28 am »
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You actually touched on something I did want to discuss with everyone who has a visible altar. How do you recommend cleaning it? I've been iffy about using chemical products like Pine Sol or Pledge. Also, is it a common practice to consistantly move around objects on your altar? Going with what Aryel said, I feel as though that definitely helps to sort of "stir up" the energy, if that makes any sense.

 
My shrine space has often become my altar space for workings, so in practice, I have tended to pick things up and rearrange once or twice a month when doing regular ritual work.

In general, cleaning tools used:
- For wood that needs care, I use lemon oil (made for wood furniture - something like this): relatively low chemical, and smells nice!

- I polish any silver with appropriate silver polish. And then remind myself I hate polishing silver, and not to buy any more of it. (I have a silver chalice, a pendant, some metal work on my athame, and a few other small things that tarnish, though not all of those live out in the open air all the time.) I don't usually polish every month, though, but I do try and look at it and check if it needs doing.

- I rinse out small bowls/goblets/etc. with water. I don't bother with dish soap unless I've had liquid in it since the last time I washed it. (Generally, I libate the remains for ritual and rinse out with water immediately after ritual, but I don't always actually wash it out immediately with soap.)

- And just generally dust stuff off (soft cloth, a little water if needed and whatever it is will take it.)

And I say I tidy monthly, but it's not necessarily linked up with "just before ritual work" or anything. (I'm also less good about dusting my ancestor/beloved dead shrine, because the items live on a high shelf for cat protection, so I need to remember to actually look for dust as opposed to the regular shrine, which is easier to spot.)
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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2012, 10:25:04 am »
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I have no altar, and no "workings" to really do, just a shrine. I used to have it in plain view in my last place, but now that I've moved in with my grandmother, I've kept it hidden on a shelf in a walk-in closet and behind a small curtain. Ideally, I'd like a combination of the two; a walk-in or a dedicated, partitioned space for my deity shrine (preferably a walk-in so I could have privacy). I like the implications of "cave" that it has, plus I need to burn far less incense to get the space nice and smelly. (I have a really poor sense of smell, but scent puts me into the zone pretty easy, so... dilemmas.)

If circumstance demands offerings be out in the open with a view of the sky, then I can put them elsewhere and have it look totally innocuous. God-images and offering plates... not so much. :P

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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 02:45:06 pm »
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I'm interested in learning the pros and cons of having a personal, private altar stored away for only the most important purposes; or having a visible, fairly inconspicuous altar set up for daily dedications and other purposes.

. . .

In your experience, which if any (private or visible), was more effective?

 
I only do shrines, not altars, and I prefer them to be at least semi-private. I don't want somebody to be able to see my shrines as soon as they walk in the front door. Due to my living situation, my shrines are in my bedroom, which is good enough for me. Someday, though, I want a separate room for most of them. What I'm trying to avoid is questions from people who might be hostile to my beliefs (sadly, in my area it's a legitimate worry). I don't want people touching my shrines, either.

In my experience, if the shrines are too hidden away, I tend to forget about them. :( So I have to find a balance between too hidden and too public.

Quote from: r2squared
You actually touched on something I did want to discuss with everyone who has a visible altar. How do you recommend cleaning it? I've been iffy about using chemical products like Pine Sol or Pledge. Also, is it a common practice to consistantly move around objects on your altar? Going with what Aryel said, I feel as though that definitely helps to sort of "stir up" the energy, if that makes any sense.


I use cool water on all surfaces and items, then I wipe off excess water. Dishes for libations get wiped down if the libations were water. Otherwise I go for dish soap and water. Dishes for food offerings get washed with soap and water after use.

The things on my shrines are things I've offered to a deity. Those objects are not mine, although in the case of jewelry the deity in question may "share" with me. I try not to move or touch anything outside of cleaning unless I've been nudged to do so or something is about to be damaged.

From my understanding of altars, the tools and objects on an altar are yours. I don't have any reservations about moving my own stuff around. ;) If I had an altar, I'd probably "pack it up" and hide it when I'm not using it and "unpack" it when I need it.
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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 09:40:06 pm »
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You actually touched on something I did want to discuss with everyone who has a visible altar. How do you recommend cleaning it? I've been iffy about using chemical products like Pine Sol or Pledge. Also, is it a common practice to consistantly move around objects on your altar? Going with what Aryel said, I feel as though that definitely helps to sort of "stir up" the energy, if that makes any sense.

 
As I mentioned in another post, I classify myself as a lazy witch. Dusting an altar for me involves taking a dry rag and just swooshing away the naked surface, shaking my altar cloths of dust, wiping down my statues with the dry rag to remove dust, etc. if you don't feel comfortable using pinesol or pledge - use natural products. You can sanitize items just as well with a vinegar/water dilution. You can polish wood by using a kitchen oil/lemon juice mixture.

As for "stirring up the energy." I disagree.
If your household becomes messy, your mind becomes messy.
The energy becomes stagnant and negativity finds a nest within the clutter and filth. Regular cleaning of your sacred space and home in general is cleaning the mental space, if you would.
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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2012, 03:56:20 pm »
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I'm interested in learning the pros and cons of having a personal, private altar stored away for only the most important purposes; or having a visible, fairly inconspicuous altar set up for daily dedications and other purposes.
I'm certain it all has to do with an individual, that individual's social and physical environment, and one's spirituality.

I myself have a very elaborate altar set up in my bedroom complete with statues, wall candles, and a very convenient bookshelf right next to it. Since I live in a fairly liberal house, and most of my friends are rather indifferent to religion as a whole, I see no problem with it. I also love the feng shui it gives to my bedroom.

In your experience, which if any (private or visible), was more effective?

 
Like some other posters, my altar is both private and visible.  It is rather large and elaborate and instantly recognizable as something more than a table full of knick-knacks, but it is set up in my husband and I's bedroom, which is a very private space in our home - no one outside of us or our children ever go in there.  If I didn't have such a private space, I would likely maintain a very small and discreet altar, as I did in my college and high school days; I honestly don't enjoy sharing about my faith or practices and prefer to keep them to myself.  My husband has been very kind about my bedroom takeover, especially since we put together an office of sorts for him to have his own space.

Quote from: Jenett;61870
The benefits of having something up all the time for me include:


I agree with many of the pros and cons Jenett listed about having a highly visible altar.  It's a great reminder to do my daily devotions, and just having it set up reminds me to occasionally take a time-out and reaffirm that my everyday actions can be done in service to the spiritual side of myself.  It also gives the entire room sort of a hushed, sacred feeling; which I really appreciate and enjoy, but may be overwhelming if you only have one room available like in a dorm or renting situation.  I even find the necessity of cleaning the altar to be a plus: dusting and re-arranging it has become a sort of ritual for me in and of itself, a time of quiet contemplation of the symbolism and items I'm cleaning.

The only downside is also something that Jenett mentioned: since it is a shared space for my husband and I, I feel very uncomfortable using my altar if he is sleeping or otherwise in the room.  It doesn't happen often, but he is a student, and on his breaks enjoys sleeping in late into the day; on these occasions, I'll often set up a small portable altar in the basement just to do my daily devotions at.  It's a little inconvenient to have to put it up/take it down each day since downstairs is also the kids' playroom, and sometimes leads to me skipping days, which can make me feel a bit lazy that carries over to the rest of my day.  In an ideal world, I'd have my own room in which to set up multiple altars and shrines; but that's just not going to happen any time soon.
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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
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. . . It also gives the entire room sort of a hushed, sacred feeling; which I really appreciate and enjoy, but may be overwhelming if you only have one room available like in a dorm or renting situation.  . . .

 
This is what I've been experiencing. It's one of the unanticipated, erm, side effects of being a polytheist.

I'm poised to have at least three different shrines in an already-cramped bedroom. I'm not very sensitive to energies, yet it can get very intense in my room sometimes. It usually happens when I want to go to sleep. It's also a little awkward when getting dressed.

All those statues. Imbued with divine power. Feels like they're staring. :whis:

Maybe a cabinet is a good idea for bedroom shrines? Does anybody else with bedroom shrines deal with this?
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Re: Altars: Private or Visible?
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2012, 03:20:52 am »
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Other shrines are on top of bookshelves in my room, visible to anyone who walks in my room.


If doing formal work there's a small table I set up as an altar, otherwise the mantel above the fireplace doubles as a shrine for me.  There's a small cauldron, pentacle, etc. that are year-round standards, the rest change with the time of year.  Most of the time it just looks like seasonal decor, but for me it's a way of marking the year.  
There's a small plush Cthulhu up there also, he's there for shits n giggles.  Right now he's sitting in the cauldron.
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