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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2013, 02:58:34 pm »
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So how do we get from Vardlokkur to the English warlock? I agree they do look kind of similar, but what sort of transition are you suggesting? Or you could link your source, if you'd rather; I'd love to take a look at it directly.

Also, as for witch, the OED has an opinion on that too. I think you're mistaking the fact that "thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live" is sometimes considered a better translation of Exodus 22:18? Though it's hard to tell because you're not actually making an argument.

 
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2013, 03:00:44 pm »
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That's certainly overkill on the part of whoever said that to your friend. What thread was that in?

 
It was In real life (Unfortunatley) I was just posting on here as a way to inform and clear misconceptions in case other pagans decide to take the attitude of Warlock = Childish uninformed moron who hasn't done any research. as some pagans do :(

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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #17 on: February 22, 2013, 03:01:11 pm »
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Meanwhile:
http://wicca.cnbeyer.com/burning.shtml

 
I don't use the burning times in that way. If you'de like me to speak differantley I'm talking about the inquisitions Many people believed to be witches were tortured killed (As I said almost all of them were christian) this is fact

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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #18 on: February 22, 2013, 03:04:07 pm »
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You know, punctuation can make it easier for others to understand what you're writing.

 
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #19 on: February 22, 2013, 03:07:42 pm »
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The point nis neither meant anything good before Gerald Gardener

 
I dunno, I think the Old English wicca/wicce was pretty neutral on the subject originally and only later acquired the later connotations.
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #20 on: February 22, 2013, 03:08:26 pm »
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It was In real life (Unfortunatley) I was just posting on here as a way to inform and clear misconceptions in case other pagans decide to take the attitude of Warlock = Childish uninformed moron who hasn't done any research. as some pagans do :(

 
Oh, okay, so you were just yelling at us because we're convenient. That clears that up. :)
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2013, 03:10:05 pm »
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I don't use the burning times in that way. If you'de like me to speak differantley I'm talking about the inquisitions Many people believed to be witches were tortured killed (As I said almost all of them were christian) this is fact

 
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2013, 03:13:15 pm »
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I dunno, I think the Old English wicca/wicce was pretty neutral on the subject originally and only later acquired the later connotations.

 
Whilst that's a theory there's no proof wicce an Witch are connected in any way

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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2013, 03:17:29 pm »
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It was In real life (Unfortunatley) I was just posting on here as a way to inform and clear misconceptions in case other pagans decide to take the attitude of Warlock = Childish uninformed moron who hasn't done any research. as some pagans do :(

 
Because The Cauldron is sure to be full of people who are ill-informed, have misconceptions, and haven't done any research.

Dude, you don't know us very well.

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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2013, 03:21:56 pm »
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Whilst that's a theory there's no proof wicce an Witch are connected in any way

 
Except, um, the etymology sort of suggests that. What the words *meant* has changed a bit over time. (No one here is likely to argue that modern Wicca is what the word wicce was applying to, for example.)

Here's what the OED says, briefly, under the entry for 'witch' which I got to by typing 'wicce' into the search engine.

Forms:  OE–ME wicce, wycce, ME–15 wicche, ME wichche, ME wychche, ME wycche, ME–15 wiche, ME wyche, wech, ME–15 wich, wytche, wych, ME–16 witche, ME–15 weche, (ME wecch, Sc. wesch-, wisch-, ME, 15 which(e, ME whitche, wheche, 15 wytch, Sc. vytche, vyche, weyche), 15– witch.
Etymology:  Old English wicce (feminine), corresponding to wicca witch n.1, both of which are apparently derivatives of wiccian witch v.1

With the swap in spelling in citations happening between about 1540 and 1568, and definitely by 1616.
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2013, 03:23:28 pm »
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Whilst that's a theory there's no proof wicce an Witch are connected in any way

 
No, it's actually pretty widely accepted among linguists that that's the case.

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Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2013, 03:23:42 pm »
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Sorry It's just a freind of mine was called an idiot for using the term warlock and I just wanted to clear misconceptions. If I was offensive I'm sorry Please forgive me :o

Do you often berates strangers for something they were completely uninvolved with?  If it's not our misconception how does that help anyone?

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« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2013, 03:51:49 pm »
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"Recent Developments in the Study of the Great European Witch Hunt"

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My point was there was no wiccan cult during the inquisition (which still happend even if exagerrated)  to use the term warlock for someone who betrayed them

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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2013, 03:54:10 pm »
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Except, um, the etymology sort of suggests that. What the words *meant* has changed a bit over time. (No one here is likely to argue that modern Wicca is what the word wicce was applying to, for example.)

Here's what the OED says, briefly, under the entry for 'witch' which I got to by typing 'wicce' into the search engine.

Forms:  OE–ME wicce, wycce, ME–15 wicche, ME wichche, ME wychche, ME wycche, ME–15 wiche, ME wyche, wech, ME–15 wich, wytche, wych, ME–16 witche, ME–15 weche, (ME wecch, Sc. wesch-, wisch-, ME, 15 which(e, ME whitche, wheche, 15 wytch, Sc. vytche, vyche, weyche), 15– witch.
Etymology:  Old English wicce (feminine), corresponding to wicca witch n.1, both of which are apparently derivatives of wiccian witch v.1

With the swap in spelling in citations happening between about 1540 and 1568, and definitely by 1616.

 The dictionary is made to reflect cultural opinions not absolute fact, hence why it practically claims Wiccans and Witches are the same thing

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