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Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« on: February 22, 2013, 02:17:00 pm »
I just want to say to all the wiccans and wiccish people (not that I have a problem with either) that the term Warlock does NOT mean Oathbreaker that was falsified information about the burning times ok less than 1% of the people burned called themselves witches and the idea of coven meetings were invented by the church so there wasn't any coven to betray so "ancient wiccans" (which don't exist btw) never used the term warlock for negative reasons.

On another note Even if it did mean oath breaker when the chuirch invented the word witch it meant poisoner. The entire point of using it today is to reclaim what was lost in terms of spiritual freedom at a bad point in history so the same "rules" should apply to warlock IMHO

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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2013, 02:20:35 pm »
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I just want to say to all the wiccans and wiccish people (not that I have a problem with either) that the term Warlock does NOT mean Oathbreaker that was falsified information about the burning times ok less than 1% of the people burned called themselves witches and the idea of coven meetings were invented by the church so there wasn't any coven to betray so "ancient wiccans" (which don't exist btw) never used the term warlock for negative reasons.

On another note Even if it did mean oath breaker when the chuirch invented the word witch it meant poisoner. The entire point of using it today is to reclaim what was lost in terms of spiritual freedom at a bad point in history so the same "rules" should apply to warlock IMHO

So... what is the etymology of "warlock" you're proposing as an alternative? Because the OED says exactly that.
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2013, 02:22:18 pm »
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that was falsified information about the burning times

 
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2013, 02:26:57 pm »
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More falsified than their existence?

 
They did exist and and to think otherwise is ludicrous. This isn't even about opinion The burning times are fact like the holocaust is fact (Ones bigger that the other but both undeniably happened

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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2013, 02:28:12 pm »
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So... what is the etymology of "warlock" you're proposing as an alternative? Because the OED says exactly that.

 
Vardlokkur (Norse for caller of spirits)
besides even if I'm wrong witch originally meant poisoner
So why not accept both terms

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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2013, 02:30:22 pm »
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besides even if I'm wrong witch originally meant poisoner

 
That's not actually true either.
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 02:32:54 pm »
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That's not actually true either.

 
elaborate

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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 02:34:38 pm »
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So... what is the etymology of "warlock" you're proposing as an alternative? Because the OED says exactly that.

 
The OED once said all witches were women it's not the best source when looking at the occult

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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 02:39:32 pm »
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elaborate

 
Get an etymological dictionary and look it up yourself.  I'm not your dancing monkey.

I mean, Jack posted a link to one just upthread, it won't even require you leaving the computer.
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 02:40:01 pm »
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I just want to say to all the wiccans and wiccish people (not that I have a problem with either) that the term Warlock does NOT mean Oathbreaker that was falsified information about the burning times ok less than 1% of the people burned called themselves witches and the idea of coven meetings were invented by the church so there wasn't any coven to betray so "ancient wiccans" (which don't exist btw) never used the term warlock for negative reasons.

On another note Even if it did mean oath breaker when the chuirch invented the word witch it meant poisoner. The entire point of using it today is to reclaim what was lost in terms of spiritual freedom at a bad point in history so the same "rules" should apply to warlock IMHO


I wasn't aware the term "warlock" was in wide circulation these days. At any rate, why are you getting so up in arms about what it does or doesn't mean? It seems like you're just posting to berate someone or some group about etymology when, as far as I can tell, no one on TC has used "warlock" to mean "oath breaker." I don't think anyone here cares.
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2013, 02:40:08 pm »
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I just want to say to all the wiccans and wiccish people (not that I have a problem with either) that the term Warlock does NOT mean Oathbreaker that was falsified information about the burning times ok less than 1% of the people burned called themselves witches and the idea of coven meetings were invented by the church so there wasn't any coven to betray so "ancient wiccans" (which don't exist btw) never used the term warlock for negative reasons.

On another note Even if it did mean oath breaker when the chuirch invented the word witch it meant poisoner. The entire point of using it today is to reclaim what was lost in terms of spiritual freedom at a bad point in history so the same "rules" should apply to warlock IMHO

You know, punctuation can make it easier for others to understand what you're writing.
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2013, 02:41:20 pm »
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Vardlokkur (Norse for caller of spirits)
besides even if I'm wrong witch originally meant poisoner
So why not accept both terms

 
So how do we get from Vardlokkur to the English warlock? I agree they do look kind of similar, but what sort of transition are you suggesting? Or you could link your source, if you'd rather; I'd love to take a look at it directly.

Also, as for witch, the OED has an opinion on that too. I think you're mistaking the fact that "thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live" is sometimes considered a better translation of Exodus 22:18? Though it's hard to tell because you're not actually making an argument.
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2013, 02:48:11 pm »
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They did exist and and to think otherwise is ludicrous.

 
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http://wicca.cnbeyer.com/burning.shtml
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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2013, 02:54:10 pm »
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I wasn't aware the term "warlock" was in wide circulation these days. At any rate, why are you getting so up in arms about what it does or doesn't mean? It seems like you're just posting to berate someone or some group about etymology when, as far as I can tell, no one on TC has used "warlock" to mean "oath breaker." I don't think anyone here cares.

 
Sorry It's just a freind of mine was called an idiot for using the term warlock and I just wanted to clear misconceptions. If I was offensive I'm sorry Please forgive me :o

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Re: Warlock DOES NOT mean "Oath breaker"
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2013, 02:56:40 pm »
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Sorry It's just a freind of mine was called an idiot for using the term warlock and I just wanted to clear misconceptions. If I was offensive I'm sorry Please forgive me :o

 
That's certainly overkill on the part of whoever said that to your friend. What thread was that in?
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