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Vodou Anyone?
« on: July 13, 2011, 06:09:08 pm »
I was just wondering if there were any vodouisants on this board.
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Re: Vodou Anyone?
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2011, 06:56:13 pm »
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I was just wondering if there were any vodouisants on this board.

 
Not a vodouisant, and probably never will be, but I definitely have an interest. :)

I somehow ended up working with a lwa (it just kind of happened, and the ID came later); once I got a tentative identification, I started reading up about Vodou. A lot of what I've read - the cosmology, the relationship between human and lwa - matched up really well with what I already believed, but there's still a lot I don't think I could ever do (the prayer to Gineh, for example, or the animal sacrifice).

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Re: Vodou Anyone?
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 11:55:04 am »
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I was just wondering if there were any vodouisants on this board.

 
Haitian vodouisant here in IL!

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Re: Vodou Anyone?
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2011, 05:59:10 pm »
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Not a vodouisant, and probably never will be, but I definitely have an interest. :)

I somehow ended up working with a lwa (it just kind of happened, and the ID came later); once I got a tentative identification, I started reading up about Vodou. A lot of what I've read - the cosmology, the relationship between human and lwa - matched up really well with what I already believed, but there's still a lot I don't think I could ever do (the prayer to Gineh, for example, or the animal sacrifice).

 
Do you mind if I ask which lwa you work with? I had an acquaintance who went through a "vodou phase" for several months and found what little I saw fascinating. Also, what's the prayer to Gineh?
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Re: Vodou Anyone?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2011, 03:18:37 pm »
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Do you mind if I ask which lwa you work with? I had an acquaintance who went through a "vodou phase" for several months and found what little I saw fascinating. Also, what's the prayer to Gineh?

 
This is taken directly from The Haitian Vodou Handbook on page 36.

"Every ceremony begins with prayer and meditation, most from the priye Gineh--an invocation of God, the Virgin Mary, various saints, and the lwa--which can last as long as two hours."

It seems like a truly in depth Lord's prayer for Haitians. 'Gineh' is the term used for ancestral Africa. From what I can gather from this book, they use it to focus all rituals so that trickster spirits don't try to muck things up (it seems like they'll get bored if the prayer gets too long) but also as a remembrance of the time when they were living in Africa.
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« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2011, 11:11:53 am »
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This is taken directly from The Haitian Vodou Handbook on page 36.

"Every ceremony begins with prayer and meditation, most from the priye Gineh--an invocation of God, the Virgin Mary, various saints, and the lwa--which can last as long as two hours."

It seems like a truly in depth Lord's prayer for Haitians. 'Gineh' is the term used for ancestral Africa. From what I can gather from this book, they use it to focus all rituals so that trickster spirits don't try to muck things up (it seems like they'll get bored if the prayer gets too long) but also as a remembrance of the time when they were living in Africa.

 
The priye gineh is a very long prayer which is different depending on your House and the spirits associated with your House. I usually starts off very Catholic, repetition of prayers, and songs. Songs to God, Mary, and the saints. It is quite beautiful when sung.

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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2011, 01:22:03 am »
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I was just wondering if there were any vodouisants on this board.

At one point I researched some info regarding Vodou, but it wasn't for me. It is interesting though.

I use a TON of Catholic influence in my spiritual path and I know there are some connections between the two belief systems (not necessarily dogmatic).
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2011, 04:23:14 pm »
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At one point I researched some info regarding Vodou, but it wasn't for me. It is interesting though.

I use a TON of Catholic influence in my spiritual path and I know there are some connections between the two belief systems (not necessarily dogmatic).

 
It's not so much a connection insomuch as the original African peoples who were in Haiti took portions of it and incorporated Catholicism into their "tribal" practices. They did this (a) because they had no written dogma of their original practices and so, pretty much, had to start over from scratch and (b) it also made it easier for them to hide their religion from their owners. When they were taken to St. Domingue, their native religious beliefs were outlawed and they were beaten if they were caught practicing. In incorporating Catholic portions into their faith--specifically, the use of the saints as images for the lwa--they were able to hide what they were actually doing.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2011, 07:04:21 pm »
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Do you mind if I ask which lwa you work with? I had an acquaintance who went through a "vodou phase" for several months and found what little I saw fascinating. Also, what's the prayer to Gineh?

 
What SatSekhem & Puggily said about the prayer to Gineh. I'm not comfortable praying to Jesus, Mary, or Catholic saints, because I'm not Catholic and they aren't entities I have any real desire to work with.

I have a tentative ID with a Damballah. He doesn't seem to want much from me at the moment, aside from learning about him & Vodou, which I'm really grateful for - I've never wanted to be a priest/ess and I don't know that I could keep up with the commitment that many of the thwapees here on TC deal with. :o

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I use a TON of Catholic influence in my spiritual path and I know there are some connections between the two belief systems (not necessarily dogmatic).

 
If asked, most Haitians would say that they are Catholic*, so it's not just a connection - it's a syncretic joining, faith affecting and influencing practice.

*According to the CIA World Factbook, it breaks down to: 80% Catholic, 16% Protestant, 3% Other, 1% None.

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Re: Vodou Anyone?
« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2011, 10:03:04 pm »
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...I have a tentative ID with a Damballah. He doesn't seem to want much from me at the moment, aside from learning about him & Vodou, which I'm really grateful for - I've never wanted to be a priest/ess and I don't know that I could keep up with the commitment that many of the thwapees here on TC deal with. :o...

 
If he's asking for your attention, you may want to be very careful. One, he's the head of the head. Two, you should also look into Papa Legba since he is the "gatekeeper" of the crossroads, which would allow you to communicate with Damballah. Three, if you think some of us have a tough commitment, wait and see with Damballah. If he really wants your attention, you'll have more commitment than you can deal with. :eek: And four, if you want to learn more about the lwa, I recommend The Haitian Vodou Handbook. I just finished it and it was so informative. It makes me happy that I picked it up.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2011, 10:56:17 pm »
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If asked, most Haitians would say that they are Catholic*, so it's not just a connection - it's a syncretic joining, faith affecting and influencing practice.

 
I think the labeling of Vodou, and other afro-traditions, as syncretic would be like calling Christianity syncretic (Judaism, Mithraism, Dianism). Or Judaism syncretic with Egyptian and Zoroastrianism and others

I think one of the confusions is that a good Christian can't practice Vodou.  But a good Voudisant can practice Christianity.

Vodou also didn't start from scratch.  It was an oral tradition well maintained and there is a relationship between those in the Caribbean and those in Africa - sharing ritual and tradition.

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« Reply #11 on: July 24, 2011, 12:09:08 pm »
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I think one of the confusions is that a good Christian can't practice Vodou.  But a good Voudisant can practice Christianity.

Vodou also didn't start from scratch.  It was an oral tradition well maintained and there is a relationship between those in the Caribbean and those in Africa - sharing ritual and tradition.

 
Why couldn't a good Christian be able to practice vodou?

And vodou is what was left of the African oral traditions of various tribes when brought to the New World. It's been cobbled together with Catholicism, mysticism, spiritualism, and the beliefs of the Arawak and Taino peoples, as well as the other tribes the slaves were taken from. It's a melting pot, so to speak, of religious belief.
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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2011, 10:34:32 pm »
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I was just wondering if there were any vodouisants on this board.

Not a vodouisant, per se. But in my path I am slowing being guided to work with Papa Legba (which isn't really weird considering Hekate is the Goddess of the Crossroads) but also with Baron Samedi and Maman Brigitte (as I have mentioned in our PM's, SatSekhem). Still not sure the reason, but just thought I'd peek my head in here and say that there is a relationship coming on.

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2011, 03:42:51 pm »
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But in my path I am slowing being guided to work with Papa Legba
I'm in a little bit of the same boat at the moment. I feel weird because its not in my heritage or local upbringing, but during an open ritual, Papa Legba gave me a small gift and I need to tell him how much I appreciate it.
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Re: Vodou Anyone?
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2011, 02:18:47 pm »
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I'm in a little bit of the same boat at the moment. I feel weird because its not in my heritage or local upbringing, but during an open ritual, Papa Legba gave me a small gift and I need to tell him how much I appreciate it.

 
He's not scary, although I think "prankster" is an appropriate title.
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