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Spell Elements for Motivation?
« on: April 19, 2017, 08:21:54 pm »
My sister is having some difficulty finding the motivation to start all the projects she's trying to get going and we were looking for correspondences for motivation. Unfortunately, we didn't have much luck finding them on our own, so I thought I would ask here. Can anyone suggest some herbs/stones/etc that are on a motivational wavelength and can be used in a motivation spell?

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2017, 09:02:12 pm »
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My sister is having some difficulty finding the motivation to start all the projects she's trying to get going and we were looking for correspondences for motivation. Unfortunately, we didn't have much luck finding them on our own, so I thought I would ask here. Can anyone suggest some herbs/stones/etc that are on a motivational wavelength and can be used in a motivation spell?

Thanks in advance.


My first thoughts are: cinnamon, things to incorporate fire (matches, birthday candles, even a bonfire out back if you have the room), and things that incorporate air (as the element associated with creativity/thoughts).

On a less magic-related note I've found it helpful to break projects down in small chunks when I'm lacking the motivation to do them.

Good luck!

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2017, 09:15:52 pm »
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My first thoughts are: cinnamon, things to incorporate fire (matches, birthday candles, even a bonfire out back if you have the room), and things that incorporate air (as the element associated with creativity/thoughts).

On a less magic-related note I've found it helpful to break projects down in small chunks when I'm lacking the motivation to do them.

Good luck!


Thanks on both counts! I'll be sure to pass this along!

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2018, 11:16:51 am »
My sister is having some difficulty finding the motivation to start all the projects she's trying to get going and we were looking for correspondences for motivation. Unfortunately, we didn't have much luck finding them on our own, so I thought I would ask here. Can anyone suggest some herbs/stones/etc that are on a motivational wavelength and can be used in a motivation spell?

Thanks in advance.

Im not sure if you are familiar with Rune work but the rune Fehu can be used to spring productivity

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2018, 11:41:19 pm »
My sister is having some difficulty finding the motivation to start all the projects she's trying to get going and we were looking for correspondences for motivation. Unfortunately, we didn't have much luck finding them on our own, so I thought I would ask here. Can anyone suggest some herbs/stones/etc that are on a motivational wavelength and can be used in a motivation spell?

Thanks in advance.

Resurrecting a dead thread for a perspective I haven't seen suggested.

Having a lot of ideas but not knowing where to start, sounds to me like it could be an executive function problem.

I have some experience with family members whose executive function problems are caused by ADHD.

Disclaimer: I am not a psych professional of any sort.  I'm not qualified to diagnose someone I know personally, let alone a third party over the internet.

The spell elements I would suggest are:
1) a therapist, who can recommend further testing if that seems prudent
2) possibly a psychiatrist
3) appropriately prescribed medication

There are complementary components, like meditation practice, that might be helpful for coping.  In an ideal world, that would be accompanied by appropriate professional help.

If there is an underlying issue with something like brain chemistry, address that first.

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2018, 10:14:17 pm »
Resurrecting a dead thread for a perspective I haven't seen suggested.

Resurrecting dead threads is fine, but be aware the OP hasn't been active on the forum in nearly a year and will  likely not see your response.  It can be helpful to check the OP's last active date (just below their name on their posts) when deciding to address a specific request for assistance. 

Having a lot of ideas but not knowing where to start, sounds to me like it could be an executive function problem.

I have some experience with family members whose executive function problems are caused by ADHD.

Disclaimer: I am not a psych professional of any sort.  I'm not qualified to diagnose someone I know personally, let alone a third party over the internet.

And yet you've equated the lack of motivation with cognitive disorders, implied that the OP's sister should seek mental health assistance, and suggested potential treatment options, including medication, as a solution to a fairly common problem which can stem from a variety of causes. 

To clarify, a lack of motivation to start something, which was the subject of the OP's query, does not necessarily equate to "not knowing where to start."  A person can know precisely where they need to start on a project and still lack motivation.  For example, I have a list of household chores that need doing and I know exactly what needs to be done and in what order.  That doesn't mean I'm feeling motivated to start on the list right now.

Additionally, while "having a lot of ideas but not knowing where to start" can be a sign of executive function issues, it can also stem from many other causes.  For example, most people find it more difficult to prioritize when they are tired, stressed, or hungry. It can also be a result of not being skilled at prioritizing or decision making.  Having a strong creative drive and being indecisive fits the bill as well.   As can having a chronic physical illness that limits one's physical stamina and makes beginning anything new onerous.

I give these examples because you've made a huge leap from 'this person lacks motivation' to 'this person has executive function issues' without either the qualifications or supporting evidence to make that leap.  That's problematic on many levels, including the fact that your post gives the appearance of assigning a potentially stigmatizing label on someone without any actual knowledge about their mental health.  Even when the label is presented in a 'friendly' or 'helpful' way or with good intention, it can still be stigmatizing and damaging to the person being labeled.

The spell elements I would suggest are:
1) a therapist, who can recommend further testing if that seems prudent
2) possibly a psychiatrist
3) appropriately prescribed medication

(Bolding above is mine).  The inability of text communications to convey tone can become problematic when word choice is ambiguous or unclear.  Your intent may have been a sincere attempt to assist, but your choice of words might suggest otherwise. 

As what you've listed here are patently not spell elements, readers are likely going to jump to one of two conclusions: 1). that you have no knowledge of what a spell element is or 2).  that you are being dismissive and/or snarky about the OP's request for help with a spell while simultaneously suggesting that they seek mental help.   

It might be helpful if you could clarify your intent here to avoid any potential misunderstandings.
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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2018, 01:36:09 pm »
As what you've listed here are patently not spell elements, readers are likely going to jump to one of two conclusions: 1). that you have no knowledge of what a spell element is or 2).  that you are being dismissive and/or snarky about the OP's request for help with a spell while simultaneously suggesting that they seek mental help.   

It might be helpful if you could clarify your intent here to avoid any potential misunderstandings.

I can see where my response might seem snarky to a beginner.

I will work on a post about the when's, why's, and limitations of magic. It won't be today.

The argument about spell components also goes back to the question, what is a spell?

A short preview: I was taught that spells for change require a physical effort.  A spell for a new job can be a good thing.  But magic  isn't quite as easy as pop culture and stories say.

A spell for a new job rarely manifests without a resume, job applications, and/or telling somebody that one is looking.

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2018, 06:23:57 pm »
I can see where my response might seem snarky to a beginner.

Which beginners are you referring to? It can't be Aisling, she's been a member here for years. And FWIW, your post came across as snarky to me, too.

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The argument about spell components also goes back to the question, what is a spell?
A short preview: I was taught that spells for change require a physical effort. 

First, even in styles of magic that include this concept, mundane effort is usually applied alongside the spell, not considered part of the spell.

Second, as Aisling said, the OP was requesting spells for an internal change, for which the spell itself could indeed be sufficient. Especially if one ascribes to the theory of magic-as-psychodrama.

And third, no spell I've ever heard of consists only of mundane effort because, you know, magic and spells are by definition powers beyond the mundane.

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2018, 07:27:35 pm »
I can see where my response might seem snarky to a beginner.

Are you making presumptions about my level of experience and knowledge here?   

Or are you insinuating that anyone who finds your response snarky must be a novice who does not possess your depth of knowledge and experience?

I will work on a post about the when's, why's, and limitations of magic. It won't be today.

The argument about spell components also goes back to the question, what is a spell?

A short preview: I was taught that spells for change require a physical effort.  A spell for a new job can be a good thing.  But magic  isn't quite as easy as pop culture and stories say.

A spell for a new job rarely manifests without a resume, job applications, and/or telling somebody that one is looking.

You aren't going to find much argument on this forum against the idea that mundane work should go hand-in-hand with spell work.  As you spend more time here, you'll find that mundane ideas often accompany advice on spells and, in general, is welcome as a complimentary aspect to that work. 

My concern is not that you've given mundane advice, nor with which theory of spell-craft you subscribe.  My concern was, and still is, that you've responded in a manner that a) makes unfounded assumptions about the OP's sister's mental health, b) assigns a potential stigmatizing label to her,  and c) comes across as snarky and dismissive of the OP's request for help with a spell.
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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2018, 10:38:44 pm »
Are you making presumptions about my level of experience and knowledge here?   

Or are you insinuating that anyone who finds your response snarky must be a novice who does not possess your depth of knowledge and experience?

The concern about snarkiness gave me the impression that I had run afoul of the rules for a Beginner-Friendly board.  Since I have now double-checked that the folk magic board is not beginner-friendly, I suppose this was the wrong track.

My concern is not that you've given mundane advice, nor with which theory of spell-craft you subscribe.  My concern was, and still is, that you've responded in a manner that a) makes unfounded assumptions about the OP's sister's mental health, b) assigns a potential stigmatizing label to her,  and c) comes across as snarky and dismissive of the OP's request for help with a spell.

a) I gave the mental health equivalent to "I am not a lawyer, but I have had a little experience with a legal problem that could be similar.  This was the process I experienced. If you think this might be it, then please consult a lawyer."

b) There could be many different reasons for a lack of motivation, true.  Most of the physiological ones are mental health concerns.

One doesn't have to be on medication to benefit from a therapist as a sounding board.  I've been in therapy for years.  One old friend told me, early in our meeting, that they paid their therapist to be their best friend.

I've spent a lot of time around NAMI-affiliates and people who are very open about their mental health and their use of medication.

Discussing this possibility helps to normalize neurodivergence and destigmatize.

c) The OP had already received magical advice.  The responses to date on this thread had ignored the mundane.  I think that needed to be suggested.

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2018, 11:26:42 pm »
The concern about snarkiness gave me the impression that I had run afoul of the rules for a Beginner-Friendly board.  Since I have now double-checked that the folk magic board is not beginner-friendly, I suppose this was the wrong track.

a) I gave the mental health equivalent to "I am not a lawyer, but I have had a little experience with a legal problem that could be similar.  This was the process I experienced. If you think this might be it, then please consult a lawyer."

b) There could be many different reasons for a lack of motivation, true.  Most of the physiological ones are mental health concerns.

One doesn't have to be on medication to benefit from a therapist as a sounding board.  I've been in therapy for years.  One old friend told me, early in our meeting, that they paid their therapist to be their best friend.

I've spent a lot of time around NAMI-affiliates and people who are very open about their mental health and their use of medication.

Discussing this possibility helps to normalize neurodivergence and destigmatize.

c) The OP had already received magical advice.  The responses to date on this thread had ignored the mundane.  I think that needed to be suggested.

Unless it is obvious that someone is dealing with a mental health issue, I think it's a bit presumptuous to suggested a therapist, a psychiatrist, and medication. Also, you didn't state it as an addition to the already magical suggestions, you listed those as the actual and only spell elements and very clearly so.

Honestly, nothing in the original post suggested mental issues, nor was it detailed enough to come to that conclusion. The OP actually requested correspondences for specifically--motivation. Your suggestion is as relevant as suggesting she join a gym, a study group, or hire a maid--all things that could be associated with motivation. My point is we (including yourself) did not have enough information to suggest the OP's sister has mental health issues; thus, we are not sure why you went there.

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2018, 11:54:44 pm »
Unless it is obvious that someone is dealing with a mental health issue, I think it's a bit presumptuous to suggested a therapist, a psychiatrist, and medication. Also, you didn't state it as an addition to the already magical suggestions, you listed those as the actual and only spell elements and very clearly so.

I think you missed "if that seems prudent", "possibly", and "appropriately prescribed."

If MI issues are not present, then medication is not appropriate.

Honestly, nothing in the original post suggested mental issues, nor was it detailed enough to come to that conclusion. The OP actually requested correspondences for specifically--motivation. Your suggestion is as relevant as suggesting she join a gym, a study group, or hire a maid--all things that could be associated with motivation. My point is we (including yourself) did not have enough information to suggest the OP's sister has mental health issues; thus, we are not sure why you went there.

You did not have enough information.  That's fine.

I am too new to this forum to be ready to disclose just HOW up close and personal my experiences with ADHD have been, nor why they are strongly on my mind.

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2018, 12:09:27 am »
I think you missed "if that seems prudent", "possibly", and "appropriately prescribed."

If MI issues are not present, then medication is not appropriate.

You did not have enough information.  That's fine.

I am too new to this forum to be ready to disclose just HOW up close and personal my experiences with ADHD have been, nor why they are strongly on my mind.

Nobody had enough information, the post was very general. A doctor wouldn't have had enough information...

Your experience with ADHD is irrelevant to the original post asking for magical correspondences for motivation. Which is why others, including myself, found that it came off as snide.
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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2018, 03:09:05 am »
Nobody had enough information, the post was very general. A doctor wouldn't have had enough information...

Hold up a minute.

"I don't see where you are getting that" is a fair position to take.

"I don't think we have enough information" or "I think you are jumping to conclusions" are fair critiques.

To say that nobody had enough information, is gaslighting.

Had the OPs sister discussed it with a professional, whether a Therapist or an MD, then the professionals would have the appropriate background knowledge and medical privacy requirements to discuss it.

That's why I suggested a pro.  To make exactly that distinction between "within the range of neurotypical humans", "talking and human advice is enough," or "atypical / neurodivergent."

Your experience with ADHD is irrelevant to the original post asking for magical correspondences for motivation. Which is why others, including myself, found that it came off as snide.

You do not know what I know or have experienced.  You cannot say it is irrelevant, because you don't know that.

I think this topic has run to ground.

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Re: Spell Elements for Motivation?
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2018, 11:57:09 am »
Hold up a minute.

"I don't see where you are getting that" is a fair position to take.

"I don't think we have enough information" or "I think you are jumping to conclusions" are fair critiques.

To say that nobody had enough information, is gaslighting.

Had the OPs sister discussed it with a professional, whether a Therapist or an MD, then the professionals would have the appropriate background knowledge and medical privacy requirements to discuss it.

That's why I suggested a pro.  To make exactly that distinction between "within the range of neurotypical humans", "talking and human advice is enough," or "atypical / neurodivergent."

You do not know what I know or have experienced.  You cannot say it is irrelevant, because you don't know that.

I think this topic has run to ground.

That is not gaslighting, you are not a professional. I never told you don't have experience with ADHD. However, a professional wouldn't make assumptions based on so little information. You already informed us that you weren't a medical professional. Yet, your advice was a little more than suggesting they seek a professional.

You only have your own experience, which is only relevant to your own health in this case. Not to mention you gave unsolicited health advice on something that was an issue a year ago and the OP is not active, so yeah, it is irrelevant in this case. Again, the OP asked specifically for correspondences. Medical advice is not a magical correspondence no matter how you slice it.

Our personal experience is just that, it's not necessary to apply to every scenario. But yeah, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
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