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Lord of illusion.
« on: February 16, 2012, 07:05:03 am »
I never understood why the toughts
of one person should be stronger than
another's.  As far I know thoughts
have no weight, mass or muscle. So
is it the caster who causes effect with
negative magick against someone, or
do the various defenses by the castee
really cast doubt on their own strength
and open the door?
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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2012, 07:23:27 am »
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I never understood why the toughts
of one person should be stronger than
another's.  As far I know thoughts
have no weight, mass or muscle. So
is it the caster who causes effect with
negative magick against someone, or
do the various defenses by the castee
really cast doubt on their own strength
and open the door?

 
That's a good question.  My understanding is that if you doubt your success, you are likely to fail. However, if the castee has significant shielding, the original spell will be diluted and or deflected back to the caster.  Now, this is only my assumption, as I have not performed any spells.  I'm still at the book-learning stage.

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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2012, 07:41:30 am »
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That's a good question.  My understanding is that if you doubt your success, you are likely to fail. However, if the castee has significant shielding, the original spell will be diluted and or deflected back to the caster.  Now, this is only my assumption, as I have not performed any spells.  I'm still at the book-learning stage.


I believe one of the methods for sheilding
is iron or steel. Seems like there might be
an attraction corrospondence with that
ie active/passive, sender/receiver or
magnetic/iron.
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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 07:58:08 am »
Quote from: perdurabofan;42995
I never understood why the toughts
of one person should be stronger than
another's.  As far I know thoughts
have no weight, mass or muscle. So
is it the caster who causes effect with
negative magick against someone, or
do the various defenses by the castee
really cast doubt on their own strength
and open the door?


Also, if strife exists between two persons
then isn't it conceivable they are reacting
to some of their own unaknowledged
dark side seen in the other person, or
Shadow projection. If so, isn't the castor
also attacking him/her self?
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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2012, 08:16:00 am »
Quote from: perdurabofan;42995
I never understood why the toughts
of one person should be stronger than
another's.  As far I know thoughts
have no weight, mass or muscle. So
is it the caster who causes effect with
negative magick against someone, or
do the various defenses by the castee
really cast doubt on their own strength
and open the door?


I think in part you have to really consider the paradyn of magic within ones own practice to answer that.  If you hold doubts about it then it will fail.  If you hold complete confidence then it will be seen to succeed, though one may change the notion of success.  Think along the lines of I want you to wreck and get hurt but instead you fall and break a leg, the spell succeeded but not as I desired or anticipated.

In many ways I do not have to actually do anything to have a negative spell work against a person.  All I really need do is ensure they think such a spell is being cast against them and allow thier own mind and fantasies to act upon them.

Yet at the same time I also can cause an action or reaction to act against a person but never really cast anything upon them.  It's like taking a person out by misdirecting things in such a way that events occur that negatively impact upon them.  For instance influencing another that is highly suseptable to though control and using them as the weapon or action to harm or influnce.

The thing is one really has to understand the concept of magic within thier belief structure to know how to best utilize it.  If one considers that all spells cast which call upon the abilities or powers of the caster are basically will power and influence.  As such there are many that have dominating wills that can and do force or influence others to do as they desire.

If I recall correctly Tai-Chi is energy manipulation that is forced through both the body and mind.  Even to the point of manifesting it at a desired location, something seen when one considers things like breaking the 4th block in a stack without damaging the others.

Then most of that is only enhanced or aided when one considers the suggestability of the subject of the spell or working.

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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2012, 09:02:44 am »
Quote from: perdurabofan;42995
I never understood why the toughts
of one person should be stronger than
another's.  As far I know thoughts
have no weight, mass or muscle. So
is it the caster who causes effect with
negative magick against someone, or
do the various defenses by the castee
really cast doubt on their own strength
and open the door?

 
Monsnoleedra, thank you for your post
and time.  Someone who crossed me
in 1987 became a drug dealer and was
busted before the end of the year.
Another cretin fell while dancing and broke his
leg. In both cases I did nothing to make
it happen. It was the strangeness of those
episodes that got me started in the occult.
I knew nothing about magick or intent
or even Crowley.  The universe sure does
have a sense of humor.
:whis:
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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2012, 07:00:30 pm »
Quote from: perdurabofan;42995
I never understood why the toughts of one person should be stronger than another's.  As far I know thoughts have no weight, mass or muscle.

Thoughts however do seem to be energy -- if only cellular energy in neurons -- and energy is equivalent to mass (E=mc^2).
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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2012, 09:03:41 pm »
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Thoughts however do seem to be energy -- if only cellular energy in neurons -- and energy is equivalent to mass (E=mc^2).


Oooh, butterfly effect.;)  There might be
more and stronger neural networks in
someone who  is more mentally active.
Giving them an edge?
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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2012, 03:48:03 pm »
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Oooh, butterfly effect.;)  There might be
more and stronger neural networks in
someone who  is more mentally active.
Giving them an edge?

 
I thought the butterfly effect had to do with time travel, not mass and energy.

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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2012, 04:28:58 pm »
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I thought the butterfly effect had to do with time travel, not mass and energy.

Absent

I always though it had to do with a lot of connected
variables that are so unstable it only takes a small
effort/event at some point to kick off a big event.
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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2012, 04:43:29 pm »
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I thought the butterfly effect had to do with time travel, not mass and energy.

Absent

 Picture a land fill of "toxic assets" tottering
over a cliff and Ben Bernanke bumbles into
it.

:eek:
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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2012, 09:03:28 pm »
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Picture a land fill of "toxic assets" tottering
over a cliff and Ben Bernanke bumbles into
it.

:eek:

 
I have no idea what you're saying.

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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2012, 01:49:04 am »
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I have no idea what you're saying.

Absent

The land fill of toxic assets are the many
Connected varibles, concentrated in
one spot and tottering or volitile.
Benanke is the butterfly whose
Effect else where whould be minimal.
If he bumped into a tree it might
cause some giggles. But when that
same force is applied to the land fill
it's a disaster or or "black swan."
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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2012, 06:15:57 am »
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The land fill of toxic assets are the many
Connected varibles, concentrated in
one spot and tottering or volitile.
Benanke is the butterfly whose
Effect else where whould be minimal.
If he bumped into a tree it might
cause some giggles. But when that
same force is applied to the land fill
it's a disaster or or "black swan."

 
*shakes head in disbelief*  I'm leaving this convo in a state of utter confusion...

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Re: Lord of illusion.
« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2012, 06:49:15 pm »
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I always though it had to do with a lot of connected
variables that are so unstable it only takes a small
effort/event at some point to kick off a big event.


That seems a bit like tipping point to me.
 
But you made me think about the different power strength of thoughts and what might enhance them and I remembered the TED talk by Christopher DeCharms with the live MRI (4 min.).

It was one of those moments where science seemed to prove something true that many have already believed about the power of intent focused through visualization. The thought to not be in pain is not as effective as the thought to reduce pain with this focused visualization process. So one kind of thought indeed does have more significance in outcome sometimes than other kinds of thoughts. Intent and focus do matter very much and DeCharms suggests it is measurable if only on a subject's efforts for him or herself.

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