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Author Topic: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes  (Read 3872 times)

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Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« on: December 06, 2014, 01:20:57 pm »
Since CM is under this topic header and I haven't seen any posts that addressed this...

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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2014, 01:50:57 pm »
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Since CM is under this topic header and I haven't seen any posts that addressed this...


 
I don't use Chaos magic. It just seems wrong to invoke Buffy and Bugs Bunny.
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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2014, 01:59:54 pm »
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I don't use Chaos magic. It just seems wrong to invoke Buffy and Bugs Bunny.

 
The mythology of the day, they are.

Bugs is a classic Trickster archetype in the vein of Coyote, Anansi, et al.
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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2014, 04:37:01 pm »
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I don't use Chaos magic. It just seems wrong to invoke Buffy and Bugs Bunny.

 
So don't use it. Plenty of others do and have lovely results.

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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2014, 07:15:48 pm »
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I don't use Chaos magic. It just seems wrong to invoke Buffy and Bugs Bunny.

 
Wrong as in morally reprehensible and therefore nobody should mention that they use Chaos magic? Or wrong as in ineffectual, so you personally do not use it?

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It just seems wrong to invoke Buffy and Bugs Bunny.

 Bugs is a classic Trickster archetype in the vein of Coyote, Anansi, et al.


Buffy can be the masque of a solar youth-goddess warrior-goddess type. I mean, come on, Buffy Summers. The strength and power of the solstice, right there in the name.
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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2014, 10:12:52 pm »
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I don't use Chaos magic. It just seems wrong to invoke Buffy and Bugs Bunny.

 
A Chaote could invoke Buffy or Bugs, if that seemed like it'd be effective, but there's nothing about Chaos Magic that says that one would have to invoke them or any other pop culture figures. (There's not much about Chaos Magic that says that one would have to do any particular thing.)

For a more direct/explicit/in-so-many-words explanation of Chaos Magic, see the Chaos Magic Primer in our article library.

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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2014, 04:36:26 pm »
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A Chaote could invoke Buffy or Bugs, if that seemed like it'd be effective, but there's nothing about Chaos Magic that says that one would have to invoke them or any other pop culture figures. (There's not much about Chaos Magic that says that one would have to do any particular thing.)

For a more direct/explicit/in-so-many-words explanation of Chaos Magic, see the Chaos Magic Primer in our article library.

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My eldest sister actually follows an eclectic path of Wicca and Chaos Magick. And she called my path contradictory:) I wouldn't say I'm against the Chaos/Discordian path but I do think it takes a certain type of person to follow it. I'm twisted enough to combine Judeo-Christianity with witchcraft and Wiccan ideals but not enough to be a Chaos Mage:D:
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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2014, 01:33:15 pm »
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... the Chaos/Discordian path....

 
Chaos Magic is not the same thing as Discordianism.

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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2014, 08:49:19 am »
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Chaos Magic is not the same thing as Discordianism.

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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2014, 01:02:07 am »
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Chaos Magic is not the same thing as Discordianism.

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Beat me to it. I do understand the mistake though, since I once made it myself about a million years ago now - a dude working in an occult bookstore recommended Phil Hine to me (I was buying Jan Fries' Visual Magic) and I balked because I thought chaos = discord = awww shit. I didn't find out how wrong I was until a few years later when I found the old Barbelith forums on the internet.

Also, directed at the OP, a chaos magician is probably less likely to find your mixing of Christianity and Wicca problematic than most people, since they tend to be very open minded and of a "whatever works, works" mentality.

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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2015, 01:55:59 pm »
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A Chaote could invoke Buffy or Bugs, if that seemed like it'd be effective, but there's nothing about Chaos Magic that says that one would have to invoke them or any other pop culture figures.


Nothing that says you'd have to as such.  But there's at least some expectation that chaotes will work with pop culture figures at least some of the time.  Internally as well as externally.

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Although there's a strong assumption that one will change belief paradigms regularly. That it is possible to pick up a belief paradigm with a week or so's work.  That systems are entirely interchangeable.  That we should approach deity as archetypes and any differences there are merely cosmetic (Coyote is Dennis the Menace is Loki is Bugs Bunny).  That we should work sigil magick.  That chaos magick is a destination, not a starting point.  That dressing like it's still 1990 makes you the EXCITING FUTURE tm.

It's true that chaos magick doesn't have hard and fast rules per se.  But you sometimes have to squint pretty hard to tell the difference between those and chaos magick's implications.

(I really should get round to writing up that polemic at some point...)
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Re: Chaos magic explained in less than 5 minutes
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2015, 03:31:34 pm »
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Although there's a strong assumption that one will change belief paradigms regularly. That it is possible to pick up a belief paradigm with a week or so's work.  That systems are entirely interchangeable.  That we should approach deity as archetypes and any differences there are merely cosmetic (Coyote is Dennis the Menace is Loki is Bugs Bunny).  That we should work sigil magick.  That chaos magick is a destination, not a starting point.  That dressing like it's still 1990 makes you the EXCITING FUTURE tm.

 
This stuff is why I said a few years ago that I just wasn't doctrinaire enough to be a chaos magician. ;)
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