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Re: Reiki - Questions for Practitioners
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2012, 01:24:51 pm »
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Amazing answer. Just wow. I will try to think about this next time when see animal hurt, child lost or someone is crying.

 
*sighs*  Let me see if I can better explain my POV for you, using your example above:

Hurt animals and lost children getting help doesn't violate personal autonomy.  

Sending Reiki to someone that didn't ask for it based on a definition of "hurt" that comes from your brain without input from them and without a request for help does violate personal autonomy.

It's that violation with which I take exception.
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Re: Reiki - Questions for Practitioners
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2012, 01:32:02 pm »
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Which kind of energy overloading you? Does it good, warm, cold, red, white, what kind of energy you feels? May it wasn't Reiki at all, at least not a healing energy.

Benefecial is such a complex word. Benefecial for whom?

 
Well, if it's supposed to be sent as healing energy, it's CLEARLY supposed to be beneficial for the person receiving it, no? And considering that I have a tendency to "run hot" and retain more energy than I can handle, rather than needing MORE energy, sending me more energy would do more harm than good, regardless of what you've been taught about how harmless the energy is. I mean, for gods' sake, water is harmless too--if you're drinking it rather than drowning in it, that is.
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2012, 01:33:26 pm »
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Sending Reiki to someone that didn't ask for it based on a definition of "hurt" that comes from your brain without input from them and without a request for help does violate personal autonomy.

It's that violation with which I take exception.

 
And given that inappropriate Reiki can - effectively - torture people, there are damn good reasons to actually think about this sort of thing rather than reflexively causing horrible suffering.  The road to hell is paved with good intentions, they say.

(I actually went to a lecture on forms of energy healing once where the teacher - who was a Reiki practitioner - basically pointed this out.  I don't think he came right out and said "Don't do this, it's a horrific thing to inflict energetic malpractice on people", but it was pretty clear what he thought the right thing to do was.)
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Re: Reiki - Questions for Practitioners
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2012, 01:35:54 pm »
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I mean, for gods' sake, water is harmless too--if you're drinking it rather than drowning in it, that is.

Water has an LD/50 of around 90 mL/kg.(1)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_intoxication

(1) ETA: or something like that, different links are giving me different numbers.
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Re: Reiki - Questions for Practitioners
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2012, 01:38:09 pm »
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*sighs*  Let me see if I can better explain my POV for you, using your example above:

Hurt animals and lost children getting help doesn't violate personal autonomy.  

Sending Reiki to someone that didn't ask for it based on a definition of "hurt" that comes from your brain without input from them and without a request for help does violate personal autonomy.

It's that violation with which I take exception.

 
If you have the same position with me in this matter why we started this heated discussion? Just because your friend send you something clearly not healing and not for the first time, Reiki will not turn into the axe or some kind of weapon masked as a healing practice. Many people doesn't know about Reiki, most people can't think clearly when in pain so it's natural to support them even a little if I can. "Definition of pain that comes from my brain" is a serious thing, really. :whis:

I can understand your current experience with Reiki was traumatic but once again don't be that afraid of healers.

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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2012, 01:39:38 pm »
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I can understand your current experience with Reiki was traumatic but once again don't be that afraid of healers.

 
If it is done without consent, the person doing it is an egotist, not a healer.
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2012, 01:40:22 pm »
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If you have the same position with me in this matter why we started this heated discussion?


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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2012, 01:41:52 pm »
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I'm a Reiki practitioner and usually I don't ask before sending Reiki to someone because this energy is totally harmless. There is some little chance for someone's shield to stop this energy but usually everything goes smoothly. You said every time your friend send you something you feel sick. May be she has a problem with her channel? For example, natural lack of my own personal energy leading me to being a vampire. Reiki is a natural choice for me to restore my own resource and help other people which I want to do more than anything. It's calming and soothing, and healing. But being dead tired I would never ever try to heal someone cause I will just "eat" this person instead of helping. If your friend has the same problems or she's tired, sick, envy of you or just emotional unstable I'll suggest you to block her completely. Ki\Chi\Prana is everywhere, you consist of this energy so it's harmless just like any energy is harmless if you will use it for for harmless things. Also, if you believe if earth being able to transform negative energy into the harmless one why can't you believe that Reiki can't do it, too?

 
An overload of energy will cause problems to a body if it can't handle energy properly at that point in time, whether it's incidental, temporary, or chronic.

This is why you ask when you are doing energy manipulation, because someone's body (or soul, or whatever) may not be able to handle it and you will do more harm that good. To do so otherwise is irresponsible and incredibly disturbing as I do not want people doing ANYTHING to my body without my express permission first... and so do a lot of other people.

And as for your example of the woman being lost on the train, I would probably help calm her down and help her with her situation, offer a brief prayer up to W/whoever is listening (she may have her own gods, I don't know, and asking a complete stranger on a train is not the time to ask invasive religious questions), and NOT sit there trying to do energy work on her/her situation. Especially since I wouldn't have the time to do a thorough cleansing to be clean enough to do Reiki properly while I could be helping someone out instead.
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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2012, 01:43:16 pm »
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If you have the same position with me in this matter why we started this heated discussion? Just because your friend send you something clearly not healing and not for the first time, Reiki will not turn into the axe or some kind of weapon masked as a healing practice. Many people doesn't know about Reiki, most people can't think clearly when in pain so it's natural to support them even a little if I can. "Definition of pain that comes from my brain" is a serious thing, really. :whis:

I can understand your current experience with Reiki was traumatic but once again don't be that afraid of healers.

 
You can't decide for them, though. It's a deep violation of people's rights. "Healing" without informed consent is wrong--that's why it's a CRIME for doctors to treat a patient without getting consent, except to save a life.

People have the right to say no, even if you think you're helping. If you take away that right, you're taking away their personal autonomy just because you think you know best. That's a horrible thing to do to someone.
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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2012, 01:45:14 pm »
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The Cauldron is a debate and discussion forum.
Even heated discussions are ok.

 
Of course, I was called egoist, lacking of attitude etc during this discussion just because I practice Reiki. I will not wait until you accuse me of eating children and quit this discussion, thank you.

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Of course, I was called egoist, lacking of attitude etc during this discussion just because I practice Reiki. I will not wait until you accuse me of eating children and quit this discussion, thank you.


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« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2012, 01:59:31 pm »
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I just think a lot of people including yourself had traumatic or disappointing experience with Reiki which they can not overcome. I don't want to be a whipping boy because of it.

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« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2012, 02:04:30 pm »
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I just think a lot of people including yourself had traumatic or disappointing experience with Reiki which they can not overcome. I don't want to be a whipping boy because of it.

 
You're not a whipping boy just because we call you out for what you admit yourself that you've done.  I don't want anyone "healing" me without my consent. That's a violation of my personal boundaries. I have the right as a human being to maintain those boundaries as I see fit. By violating that right, you're doing harm, whether you think you know best or not. You're saying that you know my needs better than I do, and you don't have the right to make that call, no matter how good your intentions are.
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« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2012, 02:06:02 pm »
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I just think a lot of people including yourself had traumatic or disappointing experience with Reiki which they can not overcome. I don't want to be a whipping boy because of it.

 
I really don't think that this is the point of this discussion.
It is not 'I had a bad experience with Reiki, so now I bash a Reiki prationer' - surpise - I am an attuned Reikist myself - this discussion evolved into one, being about personal boundaries.
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« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2012, 02:06:36 pm »
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An overload of energy will cause problems to a body if it can't handle energy properly at that point in time, whether it's incidental, temporary, or chronic.

This is why you ask when you are doing energy manipulation, because someone's body (or soul, or whatever) may not be able to handle it and you will do more harm that good. To do so otherwise is irresponsible and incredibly disturbing as I do not want people doing ANYTHING to my body without my express permission first... and so do a lot of other people.

And as for your example of the woman being lost on the train, I would probably help calm her down and help her with her situation, offer a brief prayer up to W/whoever is listening (she may have her own gods, I don't know, and asking a complete stranger on a train is not the time to ask invasive religious questions), and NOT sit there trying to do energy work on her/her situation. Especially since I wouldn't have the time to do a thorough cleansing to be clean enough to do Reiki properly while I could be helping someone out instead.


I wasn't sitting there doing nothing. I came to this woman, asked if she's ok, took her hand. Then I used Reiki in a ball which is not direct healing to harmonize her situation and calm her. It helped.

I don not pray to gods I don't know. But if I pray and call for divine support it's pretty much the same practice I do while calling for Reiki. And, of course, I practice everyday to cleanse my mind for healing.

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