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Well this question has popped up in my mind as I had been doing some generalized reading about groups of people getting together to practice their visualization and they claim that they have had objects appear out of thin air.

I do not intend to practice any form of magic, my only visualization I do is for my own protection from rouge energies that float through my work and home (this really isn't the best time of night to be sitting in my room running this train of thought, although nothing negative can stick around as I have a very well decorated home)

Well I am curious about this phenomenon, while I have no experience in it I am familiar with the notion that most summonings involve spirits or "non corporeal" entities, well of course they have some form to them on their side, as we all do when we reside in our prospective domains.

I have the thought that this highly skilled method would involve something akin to alchemy, having a massive source of highly versatile matter available (say carbon in the air) and applying a complex process (I'm not here to get too terribly specific but am hoping to be told somebody has done this) a process that transmutes the energy around the summons into a lattice structure that could support a life form and become mobile (probably with vague detail and sort of slimy) or say become more detailed and create an apple (of course if that were the case I would never go hungry, which is not the case haha)

I would be curious enough to imagine how this could be done in a scientific way, such as with the use of machines, which probably would not be providing many wholesome nutritional frequencies but more of an aggressive unhealthy feeling (no good) and how this could be done in a more magical setting (where technology is stick and stone) which would be more earthly and yielding better results in terms of a more docile creation.

Obviously the act of giving life to anything is usually reserved for gods and their mythos, but ah heh aren't we all creators by being birthed into this great big cosmic sandbox. So the responsibility would be immense.

My only fantasy if this were possible would be to have my own pet (although I admit I am much to child like to take the necessary responsibility in its upkeep without freaking out and having mini panic attacks at multiple points throughout the day *jokes all around*) without stepping into necromancy here, I think having a blobby fantasy creature would be a magical experience and I'm sure this isn't the first time this dream has been dreamed.  

Well if anyone has any thoughts or experiences they would like to contribute I would love to hear from you, thank you very very much.

So to summarize; Is it probable to summon something in such a way that you are not just having a spirit to visit you, but are actually performing some act of creation as to provide a body or mobile shell that will have life *warning results may very*. This sounds like some very top tier magic/science and the idea is fascinating of course but for a few glaring reasons (breeding, death, chaos) this is not entirely practical nor (well ethics may vary) entirely ethical, I really wouldn't want to trap anything here or have it harmed by being here.

Those are my thoughts. :eek:

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Re: Is it possible to summon corporeal objects or entities? Pure theory
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2016, 01:21:09 pm »
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I do not intend to practice any form of magic, my only visualization I do is for my own protection from rouge energies that float through


Interesting topic! I'm confused at this bit though because you describe what to me is a form of magic?

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My understanding of corporeal science so far goes something like: matter is the same as energy, physical energy cannot be created or destroyed but only transferred (therefore matter cannot be created exactly but it can transfer from one form of matter/energy to another different form)...and, physical energy is probably not the same as subtle energy. So, there's all those dots to be connected, and the possibility that they can't or shouldn't be connected because they don't result in a real picture. (Although a years-old documentary I watched about parallel universes went something like colliding some branes together and creating a universe was the next thing quantum physicists would like to do now that they've speculated beyond the planck-length of time after the singularity that created this universe and figured out how the branes collided then. I don't know exactly how they were planning to repeat that, and as far as I would know as a layperson, they haven't done it yet.)

Someone else I made the acquaintance of had an elaborate theory about how to do this, although it relied on a sort of, umm, perceptivism? Perception is reality, basically, so disregard the above paragraph of understanding physical sciences, and simply believe well enough that the thing is there, and it will...not appear, so much as always have been there. By this philosophy, for example, you already do it by having unconsciously summoned my existence to interact with you and write this message: by perceiving anything about me, you've created my life, but due to some insidious oppression of a clandestine metaphysical organization you have come to call it "perception" as a way to undermine the full power of your consciousness. Or something.

And generally to ideas like in the paragraph immediately preceding this one, I go ehhhHHHHHHHHhhh... I can't personally disregard what I believe about the physical sciences. I'll keep an open mind to how weird things can get, but 3D printer wizardry (without anything to 3D print with) as a skill isn't one I think I'll hone to any fruition in this lifetime.
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Re: Is it possible to summon corporeal objects or entities? Pure theory
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2016, 07:39:23 pm »
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And generally to ideas like in the paragraph immediately preceding this one, I go ehhhHHHHHHHHhhh... I can't personally disregard what I believe about the physical sciences. I'll keep an open mind to how weird things can get, but 3D printer wizardry (without anything to 3D print with) as a skill isn't one I think I'll hone to any fruition in this lifetime.

 
Pretty much where I stand. Love the idea of summoning corporeal objects and entities for when I'm writing stories, especially fantasy. Can't really buy into it happening for real though.

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Re: Is it possible to summon corporeal objects or entities? Pure theory
« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2016, 08:08:28 pm »
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So to summarize; Is it probable to summon something in such a way that you are not just having a spirit to visit you, but are actually performing some act of creation as to provide a body or mobile shell that will have life *warning results may very*.


Please, do not interpret the following blunt answer as impolite:

But, no.

Not in the comic-book or fantasy-novel way, anyhow. Visual mental experiences, yes (that's psychology). Knocks and tumbling candles (I can't explain that scientifically, but it may happen), yes (Have a fire extinguisher ready). But organic matter, alive, undead or cthulhuesque, no. No. Definitely not. That's fiction.

On the other hand: There are well-established methods within some forms of magic to fill pouches or boxes with symbolical things, with the intention to allow spirits to act through these pouches or boxes. I believe that it happens within some African traditional religions. Do not appropriate someone elses practices or technical terms in an insensitive way, but learn about the general idea and draw analogous conclusions applied to your own path.

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Re: Is it possible to summon corporeal objects or entities? Pure theory
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2016, 01:41:58 pm »
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So to summarize; Is it probable to summon something in such a way that you are not just having a spirit to visit you, but are actually performing some act of creation as to provide a body or mobile shell that will have life.

 

Is it possible? Yes, from what I've read and understood. Is it probable? Most often not. Is it advisable? That is a big, glaring, NO.

The nature of the current reality we inhabit being what it is, it takes quite a bit to start causing abnormalities in it's function and fabric. You'd need a great deal of aetheric power (my short hand term for the energy that powers your magical endeavors) first, and the ability to concentrate that power in such a way to cause distortions and abnormalities to occur. Then you'd have to use said distortions to be the bait for an entity from outside our reality to pass into ours in such a way that a substantial measure of it's total being comes into this reality, and have it manage to stay in this reality against the on rushing tide of our reality trying to keep itself stable and flush out said entity. Then, while all this is going on, you'd have to anchor said entity to our reality via the proper vessel. Whether that vessel is made from a living or dead animal, human, or inanimate object carries with each one their own variables and ethical concerns, as well as thaumaturgical issues to solve. On top of this you have the fact that you'd drawn into this reality an outside being with the required power to warp the mechanics of the fabric of the tangible reality we are living in, and hope to whatever gods you pray to that this entity is at the very least neutral to you.

In short, the operations needed to do what you'd like to do require such complexity, time, investiture of energy, effort, and materials, and attention from beings of sufficient power to bring about the desired goal of the operation that you're better off just trying to teach a great white shark underwater ballet while wearing a bloody porkchop around your neck. It'd be about the same in term of effort put in and rewards for said effort.
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Re: Is it possible to summon corporeal objects or entities? Pure theory
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2016, 04:43:13 pm »
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So to summarize; Is it probable to summon something in such a way that you are not just having a spirit to visit you, but are actually performing some act of creation as to provide a body or mobile shell that will have life *warning results may very*. This sounds like some very top tier magic/science and the idea is fascinating of course but for a few glaring reasons (breeding, death, chaos) this is not entirely practical nor (well ethics may vary) entirely ethical, I really wouldn't want to trap anything here or have it harmed by being here.

Those are my thoughts. :eek:

 
haha this got wonky and i love it! i think anythin IS possible especially with magic. since i dont really think magic needs to follow all the same rules of science. but i also think that to do somethin like this would be CRAZY hard to pull off since you'd probably need to build up the amount of energy of like the sun to pull it off. if ya do figure out how to make that much energy tho then dont blow us all up or anythin please kthnx

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Re: Is it possible to summon corporeal objects or entities? Pure theory
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haha this got wonky and i love it! i think anythin IS possible especially with magic. since i dont really think magic needs to follow all the same rules of science. but i also think that to do somethin like this would be CRAZY hard to pull off since you'd probably need to build up the amount of energy of like the sun to pull it off. if ya do figure out how to make that much energy tho then dont blow us all up or anythin please kthnx

 
You can go to specialist who summon spirits. Then they can ask for the one willing to work with the one requesting a spirit or you can go the Abremelin route or the Crowley route or the Golden Dawn route. Catholic priest who exercise spirits control them by forcing them to leave. A whole lot of folks do work with spirits. We are also spirits as well we just have a body.

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Re: Is it possible to summon corporeal objects or entities? Pure theory
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You can go to specialist who summon spirits. Then they can ask for the one willing to work with the one requesting a spirit or you can go the Abremelin route or the Crowley route or the Golden Dawn route. Catholic priest who exercise spirits control them by forcing them to leave. A whole lot of folks do work with spirits. We are also spirits as well we just have a body.
woah can they make like matter and junk out of nothing?? or wait are ya talkin about just summoning spirits? cuz i was sayin that you'd hafta have sun-sized amounts of energy to summon/create physical things. i never actually summoned a spirit so i dont know how much energy that really takes :/ seems intense tho

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Re: Is it possible to summon corporeal objects or entities? Pure theory
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woah can they make like matter and junk out of nothing?? or wait are ya talkin about just summoning spirits? cuz i was sayin that you'd hafta have sun-sized amounts of energy to summon/create physical things. i never actually summoned a spirit so i dont know how much energy that really takes :/ seems intense tho

 
Oh well I'm not able to create something out of nothing. Any witch can do spells and manifest what they need if proper steps are taken. First us desire right.

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