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Re: Are Cartoony Card Decks Less Effective?
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2018, 10:48:31 am »
I agree that the art need to speaks to you and I am glad you found one you truly love. I do plan to read professionally in future, just a dream, not now definitely and thanks for sharing. Do you mean customers generally prefer the RWS or the Marseille?

I think it depends on the country, cause on the internet I hear everyone talking about how customers prefer the RWS and call the RWS "traditional" but in latin Europe people aren't likely to respect it. On the internet from american and british sources I always read "the RWS is what usually pops up when you think of tarot" but in France, Italy (and probably Spain but i don't know) it's the Marseilles that pops up. I think it's because in latin european culture the tarot has been here for centuries, but in british/american culture it is the RWS that made tarot popular.

To be quite honest... I'm not a tarot elitist and think everyone should use the decks they like but I do grit my teeth a little when someone calls the Rider Waite Smith "traditional". It came out in 1910 (not so long ago folks!), while tarot has existed and been used for divination since the Renaissance, several centuries before the RWS. I know "traditional" is just a turn of phrase that is used widely, but I would call the RWS and all the british new-age decks "modern", and things that came out after the RWS "contemporary". The symbolism in the RWS isn't even universal and traditional, it's deeply influenced by the symbolism artistic movement of the 1900s, that's what makes the RWS unique and beautiful.

Goes to show elitism isn't the way to go ever, cause what people consider "right" and "traditional" depends on the culture. Go with what you like, always respect the history and always try to research further than what people tell you!

The Madam Clara deck is really beautiful, I hope you have fun with it. From looking at some pics I notice there's a lot of geometrical and graphic designs patterns on the cards and a lot of spirals, that can be very hypnotizing, that could be great in a reading.

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Re: Are Cartoony Card Decks Less Effective?
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2018, 11:14:49 am »
To be quite honest... I'm not a tarot elitist and think everyone should use the decks they like but I do grit my teeth a little when someone calls the Rider Waite Smith "traditional". It came out in 1910 (not so long ago folks!), while tarot has existed and been used for divination since the Renaissance, several centuries before the RWS. I know "traditional" is just a turn of phrase that is used widely, but I would call the RWS and all the british new-age decks "modern", and things that came out after the RWS "contemporary". The symbolism in the RWS isn't even universal and traditional, it's deeply influenced by the symbolism artistic movement of the 1900s, that's what makes the RWS unique and beautiful.

I totally agree, thanks for stating that beautifully, finally someone cleared that up. I am very much interested in the history regarding tarot itself and I think it adds more knowledge and meaning into my act of learning tarot instead of treating it like a Halloween game. I have deep respect for tarot which not many people around me in real life can understand. :) That paragraph of yours, I believe no one can state it in a better way. Thank you!

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Re: Are Cartoony Card Decks Less Effective?
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2018, 10:18:27 pm »
To be quite honest... I'm not a tarot elitist and think everyone should use the decks they like but I do grit my teeth a little when someone calls the Rider Waite Smith "traditional". It came out in 1910 (not so long ago folks!), while tarot has existed and been used for divination since the Renaissance, several centuries before the RWS. I know "traditional" is just a turn of phrase that is used widely, but I would call the RWS and all the british new-age decks "modern", and things that came out after the RWS "contemporary". The symbolism in the RWS isn't even universal and traditional, it's deeply influenced by the symbolism artistic movement of the 1900s, that's what makes the RWS unique and beautiful.

I think one reason the RWS is considered 'traditional' in spite of being comparatively modern is that so many contemporary decks are modelled after it. I mean, you could throw twenty decks made in the past ten years at someone familiar with the RWS and chances are they could read the vast majority of them no problem.

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Re: Are Cartoony Card Decks Less Effective?
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2018, 10:21:37 pm »
I did a lot of my early learning on the Vertigo Tarot (obscenely expensive at the moment because it hasn't been released in a while), a deck based on a comic book imprint from the '90s. This was useful to me specifically because I was extremely into several of the characters depicted, and I could draw from my own experiences with them. So in addition to what everyone has already said, I'd recommend looking for decks whose art and concepts speak to you personally.

That deck was the first thing I ever bought on the internet back in the days of yore! It was like 80 bucks or something on ebay for the first edition printing. Years later a good friend bought me the reprint when it came out, which is a bit smaller and is actually laminated. Love it to death.

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Re: Are Cartoony Card Decks Less Effective?
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2018, 02:23:24 am »
I think one reason the RWS is considered 'traditional' in spite of being comparatively modern is that so many contemporary decks are modelled after it. I mean, you could throw twenty decks made in the past ten years at someone familiar with the RWS and chances are they could read the vast majority of them no problem.

I have to admit I started out with the RWS too and started tracing back from there. :)
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Re: Are Cartoony Card Decks Less Effective?
« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2018, 11:23:41 am »
I do plan to read professionally in future, just a dream, not now definitely and thanks for sharing. Do you mean customers generally prefer the RWS or the Marseille?

While it absolutely depends on the customer, I think that many people have this mental concept of what tarot 'should be', and if you stray too far from the more traditional decks (especially into anything that is in any way child-like or very pop-culture), they may judge you as if you aren't taking it seriously.  Sadly, this can be really hard to handle, especially if you are not quite comfortable reading for other people yet.

I think it also depends on the local culture of tarot where you are at.  Many of the readers by me (at least the ones I know) are very, very eclectic with their decks and reading styles...not traditional at all.  So I think the people who get readings in our area are open to that kind of variety.  This might not be true everywhere though, I have heard some very snide comments about some of the non-traditional decks (which make me sad)
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Re: Are Cartoony Card Decks Less Effective?
« Reply #21 on: January 05, 2018, 10:42:48 pm »
While it absolutely depends on the customer, I think that many people have this mental concept of what tarot 'should be', and if you stray too far from the more traditional decks (especially into anything that is in any way child-like or very pop-culture), they may judge you as if you aren't taking it seriously.  Sadly, this can be really hard to handle, especially if you are not quite comfortable reading for other people yet.

I think it also depends on the local culture of tarot where you are at.  Many of the readers by me (at least the ones I know) are very, very eclectic with their decks and reading styles...not traditional at all.  So I think the people who get readings in our area are open to that kind of variety.  This might not be true everywhere though, I have heard some very snide comments about some of the non-traditional decks (which make me sad)

Yeah totally understand where u are coming from. For a long time, I hesitate getting a RWS deck or Marseilles but something in me just didn't want to. I know it probably seemed more familiar to the public and is in alignment with their expectations, so they are less judgemental towards it as opposed to more unique ones. Maybe when I am good enough to read for others, I should consider more traditional decks, but that's a very long way to go. I am know trying to find a deck that suits me and be like my best friend and that itself is the hardest chore of all with so many choices available. :) What decks do you use for readings?

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Re: Are Cartoony Card Decks Less Effective?
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2018, 10:19:31 am »
Yeah totally understand where u are coming from. For a long time, I hesitate getting a RWS deck or Marseilles but something in me just didn't want to. I know it probably seemed more familiar to the public and is in alignment with their expectations, so they are less judgemental towards it as opposed to more unique ones. Maybe when I am good enough to read for others, I should consider more traditional decks, but that's a very long way to go. I am know trying to find a deck that suits me and be like my best friend and that itself is the hardest chore of all with so many choices available. :) What decks do you use for readings?

I don't actually read professionally, but I have for friends.  The last time a friend asked for a reading, I asked if they had a preference (I have tarot, oracle, runes and charms I read with), and they wanted cards, so I brought a couple of decks and let them pick. 

One was the Cosmic tarot, which was my first deck.  I also brought the Rohrig tarot, which is a little bit different and has some very modern cards.  And the Shapeshifter Oracle, but that one more as a possible side draw (I like it for working with change and transition, but I am not so attuned to it for a full many-card reading, more for one or two cards).

I am really lucky, most of my friends and the people I would read for like the non-standard decks, so I do try to offer something more traditional (which would be my Cosmic), but I also like to use the other decks, so it really depends.  When I am reading for myself, I have been using less traditional decks more.
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Re: Are Cartoony Card Decks Less Effective?
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2018, 09:15:00 pm »
That deck was the first thing I ever bought on the internet back in the days of yore! It was like 80 bucks or something on ebay for the first edition printing. Years later a good friend bought me the reprint when it came out, which is a bit smaller and is actually laminated. Love it to death.

That and Dave McKean is the celebrated artist behind the covers to the Sandman comics and many other Neil Gaiman things- there's likely plenty of people buying it just for the art! I had no idea he did one of these (when I first looked at the page, I said: "Pff, that Death looks like Death from Sandman! ...Hey, this looks like the Sandman covers..." and then I read who the artist was). I think there's hope for a re-release at some point, since he's such a big name.

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Re: Are Cartoony Card Decks Less Effective?
« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2018, 12:52:57 am »
That deck was the first thing I ever bought on the internet back in the days of yore! It was like 80 bucks or something on ebay for the first edition printing. Years later a good friend bought me the reprint when it came out, which is a bit smaller and is actually laminated. Love it to death.
I bought it when it came back into print for a hot minute and even though I don't actually read tarot much anymore, that's one of the decks I hold onto because I love it.

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