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Re: Texas Gov. Signs 'Merry Christmas' Bill Into Law
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2013, 09:16:16 pm »
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Thanks for this, and also to Darkhawk and Randall for their perspectives. I should have thought of much of this myself, since the same factors are at work in many other parts of the country.

I recall reading that Texas may turn from a red state to purple in not too long, what with Latino population growth there. That would be seismic.
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Re: Texas Gov. Signs 'Merry Christmas' Bill Into Law
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2013, 10:13:05 pm »
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I recall reading that Texas may turn from a red state to purple in not too long, what with Latino population growth there. That would be seismic.

 
....But fun to watch:dwink:


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Re: Texas Gov. Signs 'Merry Christmas' Bill Into Law
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2013, 06:34:27 am »
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Gerrymandering.  Where possible, democrats are put in districts where they are just enough of a minority to ensure the republican slight majority will win. There are some districts where there are democratic majorities but they put as few Republicans in those districts as they can legally get by with.

That and the far, far right controls the Texas Republican party. Republicans have to trend toward the far, far right in primaries or they do not get any support from the Texas Republican party.  Also many convention votes are assigned in caucases the night of the primary election -- which only tend to be attended by the hardcore.


Yep, the evil cornerstone of the GOP stratagy - Voting Rights Act

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/how-the-voting-rights-act-hurts-democrats-and-minorities/276893/

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Re: Texas Gov. Signs 'Merry Christmas' Bill Into Law
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2013, 02:47:36 pm »
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Yep, the evil cornerstone of the GOP stratagy - Voting Rights Act

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/how-the-voting-rights-act-hurts-democrats-and-minorities/276893/


It's the only option left, since Lani Guinier's much more sensible approach to empowering minority voters was shot down by the right.
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Re: Texas Gov. Signs 'Merry Christmas' Bill Into Law
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2013, 04:20:47 pm »
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It's the only option left, since Lani Guinier's much more sensible approach to empowering minority voters was shot down by the right.

 
Such as her idea of super districts?  Ala proportional voting where the entire state elects X number of Reps rather than Congressional districts?  From the article:

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Interestingly, the U.S. has not always used single-seat districts to elect House members. In 1967 the Democrats controlling Congress passed a law that mandated the use of single-seat districts for federal House races, both to prevent some recalcitrant southern Democrats from going to statewide winner-take-all elections to dilute the black vote and also as a way to facilitate the gerrymandering of majority-minority districts


Lani's idea might get more Democrats elected, but it's likely to result in a lot fewer Blacks being elected.

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Re: Texas Gov. Signs 'Merry Christmas' Bill Into Law
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2013, 11:03:15 pm »
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Such as her idea of super districts?  Ala proportional voting where the entire state elects X number of Reps rather than Congressional districts?  From the article:



As in the idea of each voter in a district having multiple votes to cast as they see fit. This would allow minority voters who felt so motivated to cast all their votes for a single candidate and possibly give them a chance at winning. All without gerrymandering.
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Re: Texas Gov. Signs 'Merry Christmas' Bill Into Law
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2013, 04:32:22 am »
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As in the idea of each voter in a district having multiple votes to cast as they see fit. This would allow minority voters who felt so motivated to cast all their votes for a single candidate and possibly give them a chance at winning. All without gerrymandering.

 
The devil must be in the details.  

I would think that gerrymandering would still exist - since there is still only one winner for a district. I'd expect most people to vote for just one candidate, using all their votes for that candidate. It would still make sense to put as many of one type of voter in one district - whether that type is by race (Black vs white), party (GOP vs Democrat) or wing of a party (religious GOP vs free market GOP).

I'd think it could also result in what has been seen with popular 3rd party candidates for the Presidency - Perot, Nader, etc take away enough votes from the more centrist of the GOP or Democrats giving a win to the other side.

I'd be curious if this is actually being used in any 1st world country.

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Re: Texas Gov. Signs 'Merry Christmas' Bill Into Law
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2013, 04:47:26 am »
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The devil must be in the details.  


 
Unless they are going to get rid of districts for members of the House.  So New York each citizen of New York would get 29 votes to cast for up to 29 candidates.  

I'd think that you'd have to ensure your minority group only has a few candidates running - if there is one X candidate running, sure she's a shoe in for enough votes by almost all the X group.  If you have 40 of X running, none of them might get elected.  

Yeah, it gets at least one of X group in, but just as easily leads to machine politics to ensure only a very few X candidates for a given office run.

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