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Author Topic: "Jesus" Stomping Incident Draws Florida Governor Rick Scott's Ire  (Read 3979 times)

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Florida Atlantic University has apologized for a classroom lesson in which students were told to stomp on sheets of paper that had "Jesus" written on them


http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Jesus-Stomping-Incident-Draws-Florida-Governor-Rick-Scotts-Ire-200158071.html

It's not a particularly well-written article; I wish they had explained what the point of the stomping was originally meant to be in the first place.  But I am interested to see what people here think of it.  

I don't really think the stomping itself was inappropriate, but the fact that one of the students got in trouble for refusing to participate seems really skeevy to me.  

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"In the interim, you may not attend class (SPC 3710) or contact any of the students involved in this matter – verbally or electronically – or by any other means," the notice stated.


I mean, really?  I can't imagine being told not to attend class and not to talk to anyone because I felt uncomfortable participating in an activity.

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Re: "Jesus" Stomping Incident Draws Florida Governor Rick Scott's Ire
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2013, 01:02:45 pm »
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news reports indicating students were told by the class instructor to write "Jesus" in large letters on a sheet of paper and to place the paper on the floor in front of them. The students were given a brief time of reflection and then were told to step on the paper and tell the class how they felt.


I believe I understand the point of the article.  Being able to understand how something is sacred and how it feels to have that be demeaned.  Now apply that to someone else's faith...

Not saying that this is the right way to accomplish that.  But I believe I understand the intent.

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Re: "Jesus" Stomping Incident Draws Florida Governor Rick Scott's Ire
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 01:03:21 pm »
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It's not a particularly well-written article; I wish they had explained what the point of the stomping was originally meant to be in the first place.  But I am interested to see what people here think of it.

The lesson was taken from Intercultural Communication: A Contextual Approach.  It reads:
“Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper.  Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can’t step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.”

Pretty offensive in my opinion.  Why stomp on Jesus specifically?  Why not Muhammad or the Buddha?  Why not a head of state, perhaps President Obama?  Oh wait, all those would be offensive too.  Better yet, scrap the exercise and come up with something less stupid.  
This particular idiocy will just have more people up in arms over a "War on Christianity."
« Last Edit: March 27, 2013, 01:04:54 pm by MadZealot »
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 01:06:43 pm »
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I mean, really?  I can't imagine being told not to attend class and not to talk to anyone because I felt uncomfortable participating in an activity.

 
Could you imagine being suspended?
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 01:37:13 pm »
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The lesson was taken from Intercultural Communication: A Contextual Approach.  It reads:
“Have the students write the name JESUS in big letters on a piece of paper.  Ask the students to stand up and put the paper on the floor in front of them with the name facing up. Ask the students to think about it for a moment. After a brief period of silence instruct them to step on the paper. Most will hesitate. Ask why they can’t step on the paper. Discuss the importance of symbols in culture.”


It sounds like actually stepping on the paper is kind of secondary to the point of the discussion.

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Pretty offensive in my opinion.  Why stomp on Jesus specifically?


Because the majority of students will be Christians and the whole point is to have them experience what it's like when the Christian majority goes around "stomping" on Mohammad and the Buddha?
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 01:55:47 pm »
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Because the majority of students will be Christians and the whole point is to have them experience what it's like when the Christian majority goes around "stomping" on Mohammad and the Buddha?

Yikes.  There are other ways to open a dialogue about religious privilege, or what have you, rather than directing them to trample the name of their most revered figure.  Why not have 'em spit on their cross while you're at it.  That's a crap way to go approach the topic.  

Also, I have a hard time seeing how that kind of lesson addresses "the importance of symbols in culture," which was the stated intent of the lesson according to the synopsis.  
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 02:08:03 pm »
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Yikes.  There are other ways to open a dialogue about religious privilege, or what have you, rather than directing them to trample the name of their most revered figure.  Why not have 'em spit on their cross while you're at it.  That's a crap way to go approach the topic.  

Also, I have a hard time seeing how that kind of lesson addresses "the importance of symbols in culture," which was the stated intent of the lesson according to the synopsis.  

 

Although the way the exercise was worded in the quote, it sounded more like they expected a good number to be unable to do it, and that was ok, it was the thinking about why they couldn't that was important.  It didn't sound like the inventors of the exercise thought that there should be punishment or restriction involved if one couldn't bring themselves to do it.
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Re: "Jesus" Stomping Incident Draws Florida Governor Rick Scott's Ire
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2013, 02:09:30 pm »
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It didn't sound like the inventors of the exercise thought that there should be punishment or restriction involved if one couldn't bring themselves to do it.


Point.  That particular piece of asshaberdashery is owned by the University.
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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 02:10:43 pm »
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Although the way the exercise was worded in the quote, it sounded more like they expected a good number to be unable to do it, and that was ok, it was the thinking about why they couldn't that was important.  It didn't sound like the inventors of the exercise thought that there should be punishment or restriction involved if one couldn't bring themselves to do it.

 
Was the student punished because he wouldn't go along or because he got verbally offensive and threatening towards the teacher?

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 02:13:07 pm »
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Was the student punished because he wouldn't go along or because he got verbally offensive and threatening towards the teacher?


I don't know, do any of the articles answer that question?
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« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2013, 02:37:49 pm »
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I don't know, do any of the articles answer that question?

 
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“I said to the professor, ‘With all due respect to your authority as a professor, I just do not believe what you told us to do was appropriate, I believe it was unprofessional, and I was deeply offended by what you told me to do.’…. If you were to stomp on the word ‘Jesus,’ it says that the word has no value.”


Then two days later, the student, a "deeply religious Mormon," took his complaint to the professor's supervisor.  It was after that, apparently, the student was suspended and told not to return to the Intercultural Communications class.  

http://www.mediaite.com/online/college-student-reportedly-suspended-after-refusing-to-step-on-jesus%E2%80%99/

Apparently there's a "Notice of Charges" against the student, the charges being "alleged violation of the student code of conduct, acts of verbal, written or physical abuse, threats, intimidation, harassment, coercion or other conduct which threaten the health, safety or welfare of any person."  All I've found of this is that the student allegedly told the professor 'to never do the assignment again because it's offensive' and that he was going to lodge a complaint with the university.  

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/university-files-charges-against-student-who-refused-to-stomp-on-jesus.html
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« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2013, 03:01:19 pm »
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The following is a statement from the student in question:


Then two days later, the student, a "deeply religious Mormon," took his complaint to the professor's supervisor.  It was after that, apparently, the student was suspended and told not to return to the Intercultural Communications class.  

http://www.mediaite.com/online/college-student-reportedly-suspended-after-refusing-to-step-on-jesus%E2%80%99/

Apparently there's a "Notice of Charges" against the student, the charges being "alleged violation of the student code of conduct, acts of verbal, written or physical abuse, threats, intimidation, harassment, coercion or other conduct which threaten the health, safety or welfare of any person."  All I've found of this is that the student allegedly told the professor 'to never do the assignment again because it's offensive' and that he was going to lodge a complaint with the university.  

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/university-files-charges-against-student-who-refused-to-stomp-on-jesus.html

 
Not that I don't believe the student, but he could very well be whitewashing what he actually said.  On the other hand, maybe not.

at the same time, if you get way down to the bottom of the article, there are all sorts of apologies and the guy isn't suspended etc.
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2013, 03:19:10 pm »
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Not that I don't believe the student, but he could very well be whitewashing what he actually said.  On the other hand, maybe not.

at the same time, if you get way down to the bottom of the article, there are all sorts of apologies and the guy isn't suspended etc.


Could be he took the class to troll.  This is the sort of class that vocal conservatives tend to complain about.  They don't like anything that teaches someone to be 'politically correct' (Also known as being respectful of other people).

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« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2013, 04:16:29 pm »
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Not that I don't believe the student, but he could very well be whitewashing what he actually said.  On the other hand, maybe not.

Entirely possible, but also equally possible that the Univ over-reacted and now they're backpedaling.  Whoever the 'bad guy' was here, it's doubtful they'd admit it.  

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at the same time, if you get way down to the bottom of the article, there are all sorts of apologies and the guy isn't suspended etc.

Hm.  Interesting.  An article on Yahoo from Mar. 25th says he was.  Poor reporting?  

Now the latest (from 6 hours ago) is that FAU is apparently falling over itself with apology.  Any info about charges or suspension seems to be "unclear."  

Dr Brown insists no action was taken against the student; he also decries the exercise in question as "offensive", "insensitive," "hurtful."  
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Re: "Jesus" Stomping Incident Draws Florida Governor Rick Scott's Ire
« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2013, 04:37:10 pm »
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Could be he took the class to troll.  This is the sort of class that vocal conservatives tend to complain about.  They don't like anything that teaches someone to be 'politically correct' (Also known as being respectful of other people).

Aaaah yes, those thrice damned conservatives.  Going so far as to waste valuable time and money on trolling classes they do not need (nor want) just so they can bitch about the PC police, piss off the commie professors, and stir up cauldrons of contrarian discontent.

Now that's just damned silly.
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