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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2012, 04:12:00 pm »
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So many of the statues I've seen are molded plastic or resin, obviously made in massive quantities by factories that are completely unconcerned with any religious aspects.  Does that make a difference w/r/t the use of a statue in worship?  Does the material they're made from matter?


 
I think it depends on the person or the deity.

In my case- the statue wasn't as important as the material that my shrine box is made out of. For all I know, when I get more money, he will mandate that I need to get a better statue. Ideally- yes, I would have something that is pure, or made of something better than resin. But I think he realizes the limitations of my current situation. And therefore, opted for the box to be made of something higher in quality than particle board or veneer. In the past, ritual purity was of utmost importance, but I think a lot of that is out of reach for modern practitioners, and so some allotments have to be made for that. As I imagine was the case for poorer folks back in AE, too.

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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2012, 10:14:23 am »
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In the past, ritual purity was of utmost importance, but I think a lot of that is out of reach for modern practitioners, and so some allotments have to be made for that. As I imagine was the case for poorer folks back in AE, too. -Devo

 
It doesn't seem like Bes had a problem with terracotta.

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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #32 on: November 26, 2012, 04:59:01 am »
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As for the subject at hand, I am one of these people who harbours the unpopular opinion that the material DOES matter. It mattered to the AE's, who felt that different materials had different metaphysical qualities and appropriateness. I also think that handmade objects have a better energy than something mass produced.

 
My practice currently has to be on the downlow, so I couldn't have a statue that was large and...obvious. This bothered me because I felt like I did need some kind of image of Bast in my space, so I had to figure something out.

What I ended up making was a teeny little votive statue out of... Crayola Model Magic. [laughs] I painted it with acrylic and She actually thinks it's cute, so I think that the Netjeru realize that we can't all really get the perfect materials or pretty statues, ya know?

The fact you're taking the time and effort to make something for them to bring them into your life means a lot!

Here is tiny!Bast, it's about the same height as a votive candle:
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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #33 on: November 26, 2012, 10:44:14 am »
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Here is tiny!Bast, it's about the same height as a votive candle:


She's adorable. ^_^

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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #34 on: November 26, 2012, 12:47:26 pm »
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Here is tiny!Bast, it's about the same height as a votive candle:

 
That. Is. ADORABLE.

Bast seems to be okay with cute things. (Stately, serious things, too, but yeah.)

But oh my gosh, I cannot get over how cool this is.
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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #35 on: November 26, 2012, 02:25:09 pm »
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She's adorable. ^_^

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That. Is. ADORABLE.

Bast seems to be okay with cute things. (Stately, serious things, too, but yeah.)

But oh my gosh, I cannot get over how cool this is.

 
Ahh oh my goodness thank you so much!

I was considering making them for folks, but I did have the thought of "not everyone may like that they're made out of something akin to playdoh..." :p And unfortunately, model magic doesn't really lend itself to SCULTPING in the traditional sense. It's kind of a weird material, so it's difficult to get details out of.
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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #36 on: November 28, 2012, 12:19:42 am »
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The fact you're taking the time and effort to make something for them to bring them into your life means a lot!

Here is tiny!Bast, it's about the same height as a votive candle:

 
I agree, and you did a great job.

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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #37 on: November 28, 2012, 04:41:51 am »
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Here is tiny!Bast, it's about the same height as a votive candle:

 
I think the reason this works so well is that, sure, it's cute, but it's still dignified.

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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #38 on: November 28, 2012, 09:01:14 am »
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I agree, and you did a great job.


Very nice!
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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #39 on: March 14, 2013, 06:05:48 pm »
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In my personal experience, I've found that the statues do take some time to get used to. You kind of have to get attuned to each other. You come to this understanding where you realize these statues aren't even expressing 1/10,000th of the Netjeru's power, glory, and beauty, yet this is a modern and legitimate mode of worship.

How big are your statues? Most of mine are 9 - 10 inches tall, excepting Atum, who clocks in at a meager 2 1/2 inches in height. :\ But I fixed that by finding a square rock to put him on (it's almost perfectly square; I seriously think Atum directed me toward it because he was tired of being nearly invisible behind his candle.) That's another thing you might try. Find something stable you can use to elevate any images you have. Or print out a good picture and hang it high on the wall behind the shrine proper.

I have to look down at my shrine now, too. My knees are shot, and I can't fit a chair in my shrine space, so I have to stand. It was silly the first couple of days--especially with the morning rite's ritual embrace--but I've gotten used to it from necessity. The Netjeru don't seem offended by it, either.

 
I have a photo of Sekhmet that I got off the net. Like with my Roman practice, though I'm going to add the goddess Isis because she was worshiped in Rome, I've found that images are great but sometimes you might be far away and can't be before your shrine. That sucks but sometimes that happens.

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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #40 on: March 14, 2013, 06:07:02 pm »
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My practice currently has to be on the downlow, so I couldn't have a statue that was large and...obvious. This bothered me because I felt like I did need some kind of image of Bast in my space, so I had to figure something out.

What I ended up making was a teeny little votive statue out of... Crayola Model Magic. [laughs] I painted it with acrylic and She actually thinks it's cute, so I think that the Netjeru realize that we can't all really get the perfect materials or pretty statues, ya know?

The fact you're taking the time and effort to make something for them to bring them into your life means a lot!

Here is tiny!Bast, it's about the same height as a votive candle:

 
That's the cutest thing ever. I saw a photo of a stuffed scarab, Bast, and Anubis. Perfect for cuddling.

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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2013, 06:14:44 pm »
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That's the cutest thing ever. I saw a photo of a stuffed scarab, Bast, and Anubis. Perfect for cuddling.

 
I have the Bast stuffed animal from that series. She is very cuddly.

I have a shrine, but I don't have statues for too many of the deities I work with, so I used an oracle deck as "icons" of sort (here is a glimpse of what the cards look like). I am still going between making icons with beads and paint on canvases or making bead strands for the deities I don't have statues for.

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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2013, 06:27:34 pm »
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I have the Bast stuffed animal from that series. She is very cuddly.

I have a shrine, but I don't have statues for too many of the deities I work with, so I used an oracle deck as "icons" of sort (here is a glimpse of what the cards look like). I am still going between making icons with beads and paint on canvases or making bead strands for the deities I don't have statues for.

 
I just love them all. Of course some of the statues are so expensive that I feel like groaning all the time.

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Re: Worship without statues or shrines?
« Reply #43 on: April 14, 2013, 10:17:18 pm »
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I've always felt drawn to the kemetic gods, but I've found that statues of Them always feel kinda empty, like that's the one place They aren't.  No matter how much I try it, placing offerings and praying before images of Them always leaves me feeling silly, and I quickly start to lose interest because I don't get the same feelings I get when I just shoot a quick prayer of thanks to Ra for helping me to get somewhere on time when I'm running late, or ask Djehuty to help me on a test.  When I do those things I can feel Their presence, but when I try to make offerings or pray before images of Them I just feel like I'm talking to myself.  So what I'm wondering is, is there a way that I can honor and make offerings to Them without incorporating images or (permanent, it's really more of a space issue than anything else) shrines?  Note that while I've never tried it, I might be comfortable with abstract symbols for Them. (eye of Ra, etc.)  Sorry if this is the wrong forum for this.

 
I really do like statues but their not needed. Of course, those that don't understand Kemetic faith will think that if they deprive you of statues or a shrine then their keeping you from practicing.

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