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Author Topic: What Is An Onion Hoer?  (Read 2826 times)

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What Is An Onion Hoer?
« on: July 20, 2011, 11:21:46 pm »
Forgive the stupid question, but I've seen two Kemetics here refer to the fact that all they wanted to do was "hoe onions" and the Gods had other plans. What is an Onion Hoer, and what do they do? :D:

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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2011, 12:42:26 am »
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Forgive the stupid question, but I've seen two Kemetics here refer to the fact that all they wanted to do was "hoe onions" and the Gods had other plans. What is an Onion Hoer, and what do they do? :D:

 
"Hoeing onions" is the term we Kemetics use for practicing as a layperson, versus practicing/studying as a priest.

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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2011, 09:21:14 am »
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Forgive the stupid question, but I've seen two Kemetics here refer to the fact that all they wanted to do was "hoe onions" and the Gods had other plans. What is an Onion Hoer, and what do they do? :D:


Firaza nailed it.  We're the ones that don't have any desire to be a priest but still want to find a way to worship that is (at least somewhat) in line with what the Ancient Egyptians did.  It is difficult, as most of the information out there is specifically about priestly ritual.

It is also difficult when your God(s) drag you from trying to practice as Jane Hotep into something more intense.
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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2011, 11:05:07 am »
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It is difficult, as most of the information out there is specifically about priestly ritual.


Gods is the rough translation of "netjeru," although powers would be a closer concept.

In case the OP isn't familiar with how the netjeru were worshipped in ancient Kemet, I'll just add that it was believed that the netjeru put some of their "power" or "divinity" in statues, which were then kept within temple walls and tended to (washed, clothed, fed, sung hymns to, etc.) only by priests.  Layfolk typically would not be allowed anywhere near the statues, instead being relegated to the outer areas of the temple (you would have to be initiated as a priest to be allowed into the inner sanctum).  Instead, they would have their own shrines at home, where they would have some figurines of family netjeru (which may or may not be the same as the state or nome netjeru) and/or mementos of their blessed dead.  We know (mostly) what priests did because we've found ritual on temple walls.  However there is scant information about what layfolk did. (I have a post in my blog that goes over an egyptological article about this if you're interested)

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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2011, 11:50:26 am »
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Gods is the rough translation of "netjeru," although powers would be a closer concept.

In case the OP isn't familiar with how the netjeru were worshipped in ancient Kemet, I'll just add that it was believed that the netjeru put some of their "power" or "divinity" in statues, which were then kept within temple walls and tended to (washed, clothed, fed, sung hymns to, etc.) only by priests.  Layfolk typically would not be allowed anywhere near the statues, instead being relegated to the outer areas of the temple (you would have to be initiated as a priest to be allowed into the inner sanctum).  Instead, they would have their own shrines at home, where they would have some figurines of family netjeru (which may or may not be the same as the state or nome netjeru) and/or mementos of their blessed dead.  We know (mostly) what priests did because we've found ritual on temple walls.  However there is scant information about what layfolk did. (I have a post in my blog that goes over an egyptological article about this if you're interested)


I'm definitely interested! Thanks for all the information! I've had quite a nagging for awhile regarding Egyptian Gods and I've all but totally ignored it. Mostly out of fear, somewhat out of misconceptions about what is and isn't acceptable when considering Gods not from your blood ties, partially because I think I'm afraid of the "what ifs" of the Gods really existing, etc. I wouldn't have the time or the freedom to be a Priestess, but I'm now listening to my subconscious where I haven't before. Which led me to ask about Onion hoers, so I'm in the market for any information! :D:

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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2011, 12:14:18 pm »
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It is also difficult when your God(s) drag you from trying to practice as Jane Hotep into something more intense.

 
Yeah, tell me about it...

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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2011, 01:41:47 pm »
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I'm definitely interested! Thanks for all the information! I've had quite a nagging for awhile regarding Egyptian Gods and I've all but totally ignored it. Mostly out of fear, somewhat out of misconceptions about what is and isn't acceptable when considering Gods not from your blood ties, partially because I think I'm afraid of the "what ifs" of the Gods really existing, etc.


You're welcome!  I've found that fear of the unknown/misconceptions can be dispersed by finding out more.  In ancient Kemet, one could become Kemetic by adopting the customs, religion, and language of the people native to the land.  As far as I know, there are no restrictions about who is allowed to worship whom. (though there were purity restrictions about approaching the statue)  If the netjeru are calling you, perhaps it's time you listen.  However, whatever you end up doing with the information is fully your choice.  In any case feel free to post anything here, I'm sure everyone would be glad to help.  

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I wouldn't have the time or the freedom to be a Priestess, but I'm now listening to my subconscious where I haven't before. Which led me to ask about Onion hoers, so I'm in the market for any information! :D:


Time and freedom are things you would want to consider if you plan on following the template of what some priests did in the past.   I believe one type of priest, the hem netjer, is translated literally as servant of netjer.  However being a priest exactly as they would've been in the past is not completely possible, considering that temples and feasts were state sponsored, and it was an actual paid job.  We also need to consider how our own modern context will affect what we consider the role of a priest today.  I recommend you take a look at this post where some members are discussing the role of priesthood in modern Kemeticism, and if you'd like to know more about what priests' roles were in ancient Kemet, try the book The Priests of Ancient Egypt by Serge Sauneron.

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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2011, 05:57:44 pm »
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You're welcome!  I've found that fear of the unknown/misconceptions can be dispersed by finding out more.  In ancient Kemet, one could become Kemetic by adopting the customs, religion, and language of the people native to the land.  As far as I know, there are no restrictions about who is allowed to worship whom. (though there were purity restrictions about approaching the statue)  If the netjeru are calling you, perhaps it's time you listen.  However, whatever you end up doing with the information is fully your choice.  In any case feel free to post anything here, I'm sure everyone would be glad to help.  



Time and freedom are things you would want to consider if you plan on following the template of what some priests did in the past.   I believe one type of priest, the hem netjer, is translated literally as servant of netjer.  However being a priest exactly as they would've been in the past is not completely possible, considering that temples and feasts were state sponsored, and it was an actual paid job.  We also need to consider how our own modern context will affect what we consider the role of a priest today.  I recommend you take a look at this post where some members are discussing the role of priesthood in modern Kemeticism, and if you'd like to know more about what priests' roles were in ancient Kemet, try the book The Priests of Ancient Egypt by Serge Sauneron.


Thanks for all your input, I will start diving into it!

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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2011, 05:57:06 pm »
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"Hoeing onions" is the term we Kemetics use for practicing as a layperson, versus practicing/studying as a priest.

 
Shoot, man. Now *I* want to be an onion-hoer. ;)
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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2011, 06:17:27 pm »
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Shoot, man. Now *I* want to be an onion-hoer. ;)

 
Some days I wish all I had was a call to be an onion hoer. Seems a bit more simple.

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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2011, 07:04:46 pm »
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Some days I wish all I had was a call to be an onion hoer. Seems a bit more simple.

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It was simpler.  A quieter, more peaceful time...completely devoid of all the "what-the-fuck???" that is going on now. :eek:
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Re: What Is An Onion Hoer?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2011, 09:48:24 pm »
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Some days I wish all I had was a call to be an onion hoer. Seems a bit more simple.

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It's definitely nice and simple. I don't envy you priestly types, though props to you for being able to do it!

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