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Re: Reading is good - talking even better (?)
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2017, 06:15:36 pm »
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I certainly don't disagree that having it all in one place is a good idea, so I'm with you on that front. Anything on how to put the old purity rules into practice would be useful, too, on top of the food taboos. That can feel a little overwhelming too, even to someone who's been doing this for years.

 
Not to mention why there are purity rules in the first place. I seem to recall Darkhawk already wrote a piece on that a while ago. Or was that someone else?

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Re: Reading is good - talking even better (?)
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2017, 06:37:32 pm »
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Not to mention why there are purity rules in the first place. I seem to recall Darkhawk already wrote a piece on that a while ago. Or was that someone else?

 
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Re: Reading is good - talking even better (?)
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2017, 11:02:39 pm »
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Hi, I am wondering why the silence.

I have been looking for a way to have contact with more kemetics, because I really feel isolated where I live.

In Germany there is no acceptable platform for communication I could find due to lack of activity or ppl having left there.
Same seems to be the case here (concerning activity).

 
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Re: Reading is good - talking even better (?)
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2017, 11:49:33 pm »
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Rule of thumb - no offerings of impure items/food. Fish are considered not
 pure so they are a no go. When the book on fish cults in Egypt arrives I can delve deeper into this.
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Also wondering about the properness of using a sistrum for ceremonial purposes concerning Djehuty

I talked with Richard Redding, a scientist at University of Michigan who studies ancient animal bones. He's worked extensively at the pyramid sites in Giza, including the area where the priests lived. He found waste dumps with cow foreleg bones- reverted offerings to the Netjeru that were eaten by the priests. He also found large numbers of bones from Synodontis catfish, and had them tested to see if they had passed through a human digestive system. (!) They had. His opinion on a fish taboo was that it was limited in time and place.

If you're interested in Hatmehyt, look for Donald Redford's book "City of the Ram Man", and his "Delta Reports" series. In Mendes/Djedet there are deposits of votive jars containing baby schilbe catfish, presumably as offerings to Hatmehyt.

It's good to see another person with an interest in Hatmehyt- she is one of my main Netjeru, and there seems to be a tiny handful of people with an interest in her.

On the sistrum:
I know Wepwawet had his own groups of female musicians and dancers, and is associated with the Goddess Merit. You might look for more information on that.
Also sistrum-playing is definitely associated with Ptah. Djehuty has the "Lord of Terror" epithet, so a calming sistrum would be entirely appropriate.

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Re: Reading is good - talking even better (?)
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2017, 06:45:16 pm »
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2017, 06:50:17 am »
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I talked with Richard Redding, a scientist at University of Michigan who studies ancient animal bones. He's worked extensively at the pyramid sites in Giza, including the area where the priests lived. He found waste dumps with cow foreleg bones- reverted offerings to the Netjeru that were eaten by the priests. He also found large numbers of bones from Synodontis catfish, and had them tested to see if they had passed through a human digestive system. (!) They had. His opinion on a fish taboo was that it was limited in time and place.

If you're interested in Hatmehyt, look for Donald Redford's book "City of the Ram Man", and his "Delta Reports" series. In Mendes/Djedet there are deposits of votive jars containing baby schilbe catfish, presumably as offerings to Hatmehyt.

It's good to see another person with an interest in Hatmehyt- she is one of my main Netjeru, and there seems to be a tiny handful of people with an interest in her.

On the sistrum:
I know Wepwawet had his own groups of female musicians and dancers, and is associated with the Goddess Merit. You might look for more information on that.
Also sistrum-playing is definitely associated with Ptah. Djehuty has the "Lord of Terror" epithet, so a calming sistrum would be entirely appropriate.

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Hello, nice to meet you! 😊
Thank you for the valuable information.
Since my last post I did some research on fish and it seems to be a matter of local worship, time period and of fish species.
In different myths fish play a role. Some fish ate Wesirs phallus when His dismembered parts were thrown into the waters. Those fish species would be considered impure by many and hence not be eaten or offered. Other places in Egypt would actually consider them sacred for their involvement with Wesir. Then there is that story of fish swimming alongside Ras barque helping against chaos.
There are pictures of fish being mummified either as food for the deceased or as pets to follow him/her into the afterlife. Also the subject of fish amulets is quite interesting.

I will try to get the book on Djedet, thank you! It is so good to hear from somebody else having Hatmehyt as a main Netjeru.

On the Sistrum I will check now that you put it that way. It makes sense. Thanks!

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Re: Reading is good - talking even better (?)
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2017, 07:05:43 am »
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« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2017, 07:12:57 am »
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... Some fish ate Wesirs phallus when His dismembered parts were thrown into the waters. Those fish species would be considered impure by many and hence not be eaten or offered.

 
One of the species that was listed for that is the 'elephant nose' mormyrid. It has a tiny mouth, and would have trouble eating anything over 2mm in diameter. I wonder if that was a joke, or heka, or both.
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Re: Reading is good - talking even better (?)
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2018, 07:43:58 pm »


Not that new, but I'll throw out some ideas.

- Short rituals. (Eternal Egypt is a great book, but I do not have the wherewithal to recite 10-page ritual scripts.)
- One thing I have been trying to find is a list of which offerings are taboo to which gods. I remember seeing one once online, but it seems to have vanished.
- Symbolism glossaries for colors, numbers etc. that aren't Hermetic-influenced. Plus, how to use symbols, since this comes up a lot in Kemetic practices.

The Ancient Egyptian Prayerbook by Tamara L. Siuda has a short daily ritual in it as well as ancient prayers.  Tamara L. Siuda is an Egyptologist and the founder of Kemetic Orthodoxy/House of Netjer, just so you are aware.  She also  has a festival calendar book, The Ancient Egyptian Daybook, if  you are interested in festivals.

For symbolism and colors, there are two books and one is the source for the other.  Symbol and Magic in Egyptian Art by Richard Wilkinson has this information.  Kerry Wisner's book, Eye of the Sun has this also.  (Kerry Wisner is the founder of the Temple Akhet Hwthrw/Hathor). 

For taboos for different gods, I have seen a few:
Aset (Isis): Pork, Fish
Wesir  (Osiris):  Pork, Fish, Sand
Sekhmet: Pork

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« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2018, 04:53:50 am »
The Ancient Egyptian Prayerbook by Tamara L. Siuda has a short daily ritual in it as well as ancient prayers.  Tamara L. Siuda is an Egyptologist and the founder of Kemetic Orthodoxy/House of Netjer, just so you are aware.  She also  has a festival calendar book, The Ancient Egyptian Daybook, if  you are interested in festivals.

For symbolism and colors, there are two books and one is the source for the other.  Symbol and Magic in Egyptian Art by Richard Wilkinson has this information.  Kerry Wisner's book, Eye of the Sun has this also.  (Kerry Wisner is the founder of the Temple Akhet Hwthrw/Hathor). 

For taboos for different gods, I have seen a few:
Aset (Isis): Pork, Fish
Wesir  (Osiris):  Pork, Fish, Sand
Sekhmet: Pork

Hi,
Only the fish species were considered impure due to having consumed Osiri’s phallus.
Fish is a not so easy subject. I highly recommend “Fische und Fischkulte im Alten Ägypten“ by Ingrid Gamer-Wallert.

Wilkinson’s book is a very good source. The book on Amulets by Carol Andrews complements it nicely. I am planning on getting literature on iconography, which would go into more detail.

A nice short ritual can also be found in Sharon La Bordes books - just keep in mind she follows a reformed Kemeticism path. The ritual contains the core elements needed though and it is not difficcult to expand it to include more of them.

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