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Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2012, 01:04:12 am »
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Aine Rayne, you're near me geographically.  Send me a PM if you'd like to meet up or something.

Would you be insulted if I said that makes me wary cuz you're my mom's age? XD
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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2012, 11:13:51 am »
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Would you be insulted if I said that makes me wary cuz you're my mom's age? XD

I'd try not to be, but it might creep in.

What did you expect, exactly?
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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #62 on: August 14, 2012, 11:16:59 am »
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Would you be insulted if I said that makes me wary cuz you're my mom's age? XD

 
Wait, what?

She's offering to help, not trying to pick you up at a bar!

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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #63 on: August 14, 2012, 11:57:17 am »
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Would you be insulted if I said that makes me wary cuz you're my mom's age? XD

 
Why would that make you wary?
Honestly I'd be more wary of people my own age, since from my experience here many  tend to be very overconfident with what they 'know' and aren't at all shy about making sure you know all about what they 'know'.

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At this point I just want someone to talk to about what I'm doing right or wrong, how to be better and be more assured that my God likes me. I know He does, but it's hard when there's no loudness cud of course anxious me would pick a God known for being quiet XD and it would be nice to meet another Kemetic IRL. ...

 

There is something to be said for the proverb, with age comes wisdom; considering what you were saying you wanted someone with more experience and wisdom would be helpful and yes with that generally comes AGE.  

Personally I think veggiewolf would be a fantastic person to direct the questions you have to(though IMO they would be perfectly justified in refusing) especially considering I have those questions and issues as well, however I don't have the opportunity to talk to anyone IRL about kemeticism or anything other than wicca really.

One of the things I really love about the wonderful world of the internet is that most of the time age, and a myriad of other things don't matter, you can make connections with people that you wouldn't otherwise make because all these things are irrelevant when it's just text on a forum.
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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #64 on: August 14, 2012, 12:19:40 pm »
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Would you be insulted if I said that makes me wary cuz you're my mom's age? XD


Posting again to add:

I actually find it more offensive that someone who has been as vocal as you about not embracing stereotypes can make such an ageist, exclusionary statement.
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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #65 on: August 14, 2012, 12:25:16 pm »
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I'm not in Philly, but I could get there relatively easily if a meet-up were to occur. (Alas, I am also a mom-aged Kemetic. ^_^ )

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« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2012, 12:53:02 pm »
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I'm not in Philly, but I could get there relatively easily if a meet-up were to occur. (Alas, I am also a mom-aged Kemetic. ^_^ )

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A Kemetic friend of mine lives in Philadelphia, actually, and I plan to visit her next early year after she comes back from Japan. I think it'd be cool to organize a meetup for local Philadelphians/Pennsylvanians!

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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2012, 12:57:26 pm »
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A Kemetic friend of mine lives in Philadelphia, actually, and I plan to visit her next early year after she comes back from Japan. I think it'd be cool to organize a meetup for local Philadelphians/Pennsylvanians!

 
I am beyond jealous of all of you East Coast folks. It's a no-mans land out here for Kemetics. *sigh*

I agree that it would be nice to get more discussion going on the SIG- however, anyone who has suggested more discussion is always welcome to, you know, post more stuff up here :P

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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2012, 12:59:53 pm »
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A Kemetic friend of mine lives in Philadelphia, actually, and I plan to visit her next early year after she comes back from Japan. I think it'd be cool to organize a meetup for local Philadelphians/Pennsylvanians!


I think that's a great idea.  Maybe I'll post about it in the Cauldron Community.
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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2012, 01:20:34 pm »
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Posting again to add:

I actually find it more offensive that someone who has been as vocal as you about not embracing stereotypes can make such an ageist, exclusionary statement.

 
Since the young of today ARE cautioned to be wary against meeting strangers they've met on the internet (AKA noone knows you're a creepy old man on the internet) - I'd be more pleased that s/he's aware of such potential problems.

Veggiewolf is an oldtimer on the board that we've learned, through interaction, is a trustworthy person, and I'd personally love to meet the lot of you if I were on the other side of the pond. But that doesn't invalidate the need for caution in general.

I don't have the link on hand, but I believe Jennet's seeker page has a few words on that subject too.
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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2012, 01:23:17 pm »
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I am beyond jealous of all of you East Coast folks. It's a no-mans land out here for Kemetics. *sigh*

I agree that it would be nice to get more discussion going on the SIG- however, anyone who has suggested more discussion is always welcome to, you know, post more stuff up here :P

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I'm with you, Devo. I'm in MN and yeah, no one yet to find near me. If I had a penny for everytime I've heard, "You're the only person I've ever met that follows the Egyptian Gods" I would not be in debt. I know there are some in MN (my gut is telling me so), but they seem to be subconciously avoiding me. Bright side of the matter: we have the internet and maybe sometime we can see others in RL.

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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2012, 02:07:01 pm »
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I don't have the link on hand, but I believe Jennet's seeker page has a few words on that subject too.


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I'll note that I've been meeting people in person that I've known online since I was 19 (that'd be back in 1995) and I've never had a totally horrible experience (a few awkward ones, but never anything that made me feel unsafe) - and I've had a lot of really good ones.

My general advice runs like this:

1) Meet in public the first time. My usual preference is a coffee shop (tends to be a little quieter, cheaper, and easier for casual conversation), but mall food courts, inexpensive restaurants (think Denny's/Perkins/dinner/etc) or other places like that can work fine.

Meeting up to do something low-key (a museum exhibit) can work for some kinds of interactions. Libraries with spaces that you can chat in work fine too. Basically, you want other people around within easy line of sight, but not so many people that you feel uncomfortable talking about more personal topics.

Also, you'll make better informed choices - and feel better about your choices and trusting your instincts - if you're reasonably rested, not over-caffinated, not intoxicated, etc. Plan time/location accordingly.

2) Do not meet at their house. Do not meet at your house. Even if stuff is just *awkward*, not risky, can make you feel like it's hard to get out of the situation. Meeting somewhere neutral makes it easier for you to say "well, nice talking to you, going now." if you want/need.

3) Have your own independent method of transportation (whether that's your own car, a solid understanding of the public transit options, or cab fare and the cab number).

4) Decide what you want out of the interaction up front (and ideally, be up front with the person you're meeting.) Usually when I meet people from online, it's "Hey, would be interested in chatting in person, especially more about X. Would an hour or two work for you?" When I've met people interested in prospective group work/teaching, it's been a bit more focused.

Related, it can help to figure out what your limits are, and a reasonable way to extricate yourself if something's going badly. If you're really not sure, you can ask a friend to text you an hour in, or whatever, and use that as an excuse to cut things short, but really, if you're meeting in a public place anyway, this should not be a huge deal. I have never needed this, honestly.

5) Pick people sensibly. I am in fact, pretty easy for "Hey, going to be in the area" and for things like I did last month where I ended up sharing a massive hotel suite for a con with 2 people I'd met once, one person I've known online for ages, and a bunch of people I didn't know - but I knew the three I did know pretty extensively and the others were all vouched for by them and another trusted friend. It was a pretty awesome experience.

But if you're meeting someone who is widely known in a particular community, has a vested interest in continuing in that community, etc. it's generally pretty safe. (And I'll vouch here directly for Veggiewolf, who I have met in person, twice, and am looking forward to seeing again next March.)

6) Other stuff:
I have not been a huge fan of the idea of the safety call (you call a friend just before you start, and if you do not call back by a pre-determined time with some phrasing they know to expect, they call the cops for you), but some people do that for first time visits.

(I think they're more useful if you're going to be sharing intimate space with someone -
bringing them home, a hotel room, etc. as two long-distance people interested in a romantic relationship might do)

Also, I recommend Gavin de Becker's _Gift of Fear_ for a general view of "what stuff is *actually* a sign of risk" vs. "what stuff people tell us is a risk, but really isn't." Figuring out the linguistic and other cues of the problem stuff helped me feel a lot more comfortable with the non-risky stuff that I really do enjoy.
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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #72 on: August 14, 2012, 02:28:10 pm »
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I'm with you, Devo. I'm in MN and yeah, no one yet to find near me. If I had a penny for everytime I've heard, "You're the only person I've ever met that follows the Egyptian Gods" I would not be in debt. I know there are some in MN (my gut is telling me so), but they seem to be subconciously avoiding me. Bright side of the matter: we have the internet and maybe sometime we can see others in RL.

 
(Sorry for two rounds of replies in the So Not My Sig, but I can be of slight use here too...)

To my understanding, there is very little in the way of Kemetics in Minnesota. (By which I mean: 5 years of running through every public connection I could find as part of being on the Pagan Pride board, and knowing a better than average number of people doing stuff in the state.)

That said, there definitely are people who have an interest in the Netjer, some of whom are more towards a reconstructionist approach (to the Netjer, not necessarily to ritual) than others. I know several of them will be at Paganicon (St. Louis Park just west of Minneapolis, March 15-17th 2013) next spring, and you might find a few people to connect with at the upcoming Pagan Pride event as well (Minnehaha Falls Park in Minneapolis, September 8th.)

(I'm no longer in MN, but still involved with the operations side of Paganicon: if you want to run "Hey, do you know anything about X group" by me in PM, I'm glad to assist.)
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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #73 on: August 14, 2012, 06:17:01 pm »
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(Sorry for two rounds of replies in the So Not My Sig, but I can be of slight use here too...)

To my understanding, there is very little in the way of Kemetics in Minnesota. (By which I mean: 5 years of running through every public connection I could find as part of being on the Pagan Pride board, and knowing a better than average number of people doing stuff in the state.)

That said, there definitely are people who have an interest in the Netjer, some of whom are more towards a reconstructionist approach (to the Netjer, not necessarily to ritual) than others. I know several of them will be at Paganicon (St. Louis Park just west of Minneapolis, March 15-17th 2013) next spring, and you might find a few people to connect with at the upcoming Pagan Pride event as well (Minnehaha Falls Park in Minneapolis, September 8th.)

(I'm no longer in MN, but still involved with the operations side of Paganicon: if you want to run "Hey, do you know anything about X group" by me in PM, I'm glad to assist.)

 
Thanks Jenett, you will probably be hearing from me in the near future.

Luckily I learned about those two events this year. I went to Paganicon this year and will be going next year. I'm still seeing if I will be able to make Pagan Pride.

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Re: Kemetics Vs. the World.
« Reply #74 on: August 14, 2012, 11:07:38 pm »
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Thanks Jenett, you will probably be hearing from me in the near future.

Luckily I learned about those two events this year. I went to Paganicon this year and will be going next year. I'm still seeing if I will be able to make Pagan Pride.


You could also consider doing a short intro program at one of the events. Or make up a flyer or print some cards. A lot of people have no idea Kemeticism exists, or what is involved.
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