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Author Topic: Exploring Thoth and Seshat  (Read 4829 times)

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Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« on: April 03, 2014, 02:00:42 am »
As a writer, my pantheon of course includes Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing and communication and his apprentice/daughter Seshat.  However, my research is limited to an analytical nature thus far. So the question I pose to other worshippers of Thoth and/or Seshat is: what are you experiences like, and how would you recommend the worship of these deities?

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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2014, 09:55:34 am »
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As a writer, my pantheon of course includes Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing and communication and his apprentice/daughter Seshat.  However, my research is limited to an analytical nature thus far. So the question I pose to other worshippers of Thoth and/or Seshat is: what are you experiences like, and how would you recommend the worship of these deities?

 
Although I'm not a worshipper of either (though I do have an interest in Thoth), I thought I'd point out that you might get more responses in the Reformed Kemeticism SIG where there seem to be quite a few followers of him, though they often use the Egyptian name "Djehuty" instead of Thoth. http://www.ecauldron.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?59-Reformed-Kemeticism-SIG

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Exploring Seshat and Thoth
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2014, 02:12:07 am »
As a writer, my pantheon of course includes Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing and communication and his apprentice/daughter Seshat. However, my research is limited to an analytical nature thus far. So the question I pose to other worshippers of Thoth and/or Seshat is: what are you experiences like, and how would you recommend the worship of these deities?  Any information is invaluable to me.

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Re: Exploring Seshat and Thoth
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 10:51:48 am »
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As a writer, my pantheon of course includes Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing and communication and his apprentice/daughter Seshat. However, my research is limited to an analytical nature thus far. So the question I pose to other worshippers of Thoth and/or Seshat is: what are you experiences like, and how would you recommend the worship of these deities?  Any information is invaluable to me.

 
A Reminder:
Hi Asterix!

I've merged your two threads so that there's one place for people to respond.  Generally, we prefer that duplicate threads in two separate sections of the forum aren't created, but I understand that, in this case, you were looking for more input and it was suggested that you try posting in the Kemetic SIG.

Let me know if you have any questions.  Thanks!

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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 12:13:29 am »
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As a writer, my pantheon of course includes Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing and communication and his apprentice/daughter Seshat.  However, my research is limited to an analytical nature thus far. So the question I pose to other worshippers of Thoth and/or Seshat is: what are you experiences like, and how would you recommend the worship of these deities?


If you want to approach it from a Kemetic standpoint:

There is a long-time worshipper of Thoth with some information herehere.

There is some general information about Kemetic offerings here.

I worship Djehuty/Thoth, though I am fairly new.  There is some shared personal gnosis going around that He likes tea, especially chai.  Some people offer Him studying or writing.  I'm trying to set aside a little time every day just to write and dedicate that time to Him.  Sometimes I'll offer Him a cup of chai or rooibos tea and then drink it when it has cooled down a bit.  I'll offer Him chai lattes too.  Different people see Thoth differently.  I see Him as a humorous Trickster.  Although the Lord of Ma'at, He seems to like loopholes.  I would say to just spend some time talking to Him/ praying, and offer whatever you feel moved to offer.

I don't have a lot of experience with Seshat.  I have offered lists to Her before.  I'm trying to remember to start dedicating some of the time that I spend counting/ordering inventory at work to Her, but She is not Someone Whom I worship regularly.  Sorry I was so late to reply.

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Re: Exploring Seshat and Thoth
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2014, 01:01:20 pm »
Quote from: Asterix;144732
As a writer, my pantheon of course includes Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing and communication and his apprentice/daughter Seshat. However, my research is limited to an analytical nature thus far. So the question I pose to other worshippers of Thoth and/or Seshat is: what are you experiences like, and how would you recommend the worship of these deities?  Any information is invaluable to me.

I want to point out that Djehuty isn't just about writing, but He's also about Knowledge, of all forms.

For me, I started paying him a special mind with Mental Health issues, specifically because Djehuty works with the mind. I can't say I do it /all the time/ but when I remember, I definitely send him a little on the fly prayer, an he pays attention.

I am not the type for formal ritual, or any type of priestly work. So, I have tiny shrines that function as reminders of my gods in my life. Going to therapy is an offering to Djehuty in itself, because I am actively trying to work through and fix my mind. Working through school, and gaining knowledge on my own is also an offering to Djehuty.

Seshat, I have no experience with, but I may in the future. Her role is more of the writer, and scribe. As I understand it, of course.
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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2014, 12:29:10 pm »
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As a writer, my pantheon of course includes Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing and communication and his apprentice/daughter Seshat.  However, my research is limited to an analytical nature thus far. So the question I pose to other worshippers of Thoth and/or Seshat is: what are you experiences like, and how would you recommend the worship of these deities?

 
Em hotep, Asterix!
I have been bonded with Djehuty for 2 years approximately. During this period of time, I have learned a lot about Him. He can be really persistent when He wants to. He is a very understanding deity. Despite being my mentor and teacher, Djehuty is my older brother. I share absolutely everything with Him.
But sometimes He gives me exams, where I must prove I am worthy the bond between Him and me. These exams are hard to pass, but it is worth it.

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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2014, 02:17:12 pm »
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As a writer, my pantheon of course includes Thoth, the Egyptian god of writing and communication and his apprentice/daughter Seshat.  However, my research is limited to an analytical nature thus far. So the question I pose to other worshippers of Thoth and/or Seshat is: what are you experiences like, and how would you recommend the worship of these deities?

 
Resurrecting this thread because I'm having Thoughts and would like to toss them out into the stratosphere to see what happens.

I'm a librarian-in-training myself, halfway through my MLIS (Masters in Library and Information Science) and having worked part-time at an academic library for almost two years now. I've also called myself a baby Kemetic on and off for a year, maybe two. I find myself more interested in the understanding and propagation of ma'at than I do any rituals or work with specific netjeru, though I do have an altar for my Akhu with a lovely statue of Anubis looking over a picture of my grandparents.

Knowledge and the dissemination thereof are very important to me in all areas of my life. The concepts that Seshat and Djehuty embody are already cornerstones in my day-to-day living. I'm hesitant to pick up any more deity interaction as Brighid has been my main deity focus for a long while and I'm happy with that. (I've also found Her Work to dovetail very nicely with my understanding of ma'at, so I haven't felt like I had to choose between one or the other. How many Brigidine Kemetics do you know? ;) )

But. I keep wandering back to Seshat, Mistress of the House of Books.
Maker, though the darkness comes upon me,
I shall embrace the light. I shall weather the storm.
I shall endure.
What you have created, no one can tear asunder.

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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2014, 02:48:45 pm »
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Resurrecting this thread because I'm having Thoughts and would like to toss them out into the stratosphere to see what happens.

But. I keep wandering back to Seshat, Mistress of the House of Books.

 
I've been poking at some Seshat-Ma'at syncretization thoughts the past few days, and I haven't entirely articulated them yet. (Both Djehuty and Seshat make up part of my personal pantheon.)

This is almost, if not entirely, UPG but: I think there are subtle but important distinctions to their work. I think Djehuty focuses on the personal acquisition, recording, and sharing of knowledge, in whatever subject; Seshat is the keeper of records, and the dissemination of knowledge to a community, especially foundational knowledge or learning. (There is a thing here, where "go to the library" or "go to an internet search engine" being the first step, I think.)

I think, particularly in the role of a patron of work/duty, that a relationship with Seshat would be especially appropriate?

(Forgive me my lack of coherence- wording, it is difficult today.)
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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2014, 03:57:10 pm »
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I've been poking at some Seshat-Ma'at syncretization thoughts the past few days, and I haven't entirely articulated them yet. (Both Djehuty and Seshat make up part of my personal pantheon.)

This is almost, if not entirely, UPG but: I think there are subtle but important distinctions to their work. I think Djehuty focuses on the personal acquisition, recording, and sharing of knowledge, in whatever subject; Seshat is the keeper of records, and the dissemination of knowledge to a community, especially foundational knowledge or learning. (There is a thing here, where "go to the library" or "go to an internet search engine" being the first step, I think.)

I think, particularly in the role of a patron of work/duty, that a relationship with Seshat would be especially appropriate?

(Forgive me my lack of coherence- wording, it is difficult today.)


I'm having difficulties wording recently, but here's my working model as best as I think I can explain it.
 
In my personal practice Djehuti, Seshet, and Ma'at are a working triad.

Djehuti represents the tools/processes utilized for knowledge.
Seshet represents the paths knowledge takes using the different tools supplied by the tools/processes Djehuti supplied.
Ma'at represents how knowledge and the output of knowledge interacts with the universe to uphold the universe/community.

When I've interacted with Them, Ma'at and Seshet are sister-wives to Djehuti (UPG).

I don't know if that helps at all but thoughts in regards to the post.

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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2014, 04:05:12 pm »
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Knowledge and the dissemination thereof are very important to me in all areas of my life. The concepts that Seshat and Djehuty embody are already cornerstones in my day-to-day living. I'm hesitant to pick up any more deity interaction as Brighid has been my main deity focus for a long while and I'm happy with that. (I've also found Her Work to dovetail very nicely with my understanding of ma'at, so I haven't felt like I had to choose between one or the other. How many Brigidine Kemetics do you know? ;) )

But. I keep wandering back to Seshat, Mistress of the House of Books.

Sometimes just doing a parallel path to what a deity stands for is enough for Them. I know personally I don't have the bandwidth to reach out to everyone, but when I nod and say, "AHA, hi you!" is enough in some cases.

Do you feel the need for additional interaction, or is what you are doing already enough interaction?
« Last Edit: July 07, 2014, 04:05:59 pm by Neteruhemta RaShuSet »

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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2014, 04:08:39 pm »
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I've been poking at some Seshat-Ma'at syncretization thoughts the past few days, and I haven't entirely articulated them yet. (Both Djehuty and Seshat make up part of my personal pantheon.)

I've seen a lot of unsubstantiated claims that Seshat is a sister of Ma'at-the-goddess. Do you know if this has any basis in history or if this might be a case of repeating incorrect info in an echo chamber? I'm also interested in a link between Seshat and Ma'at.

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This is almost, if not entirely, UPG but: I think there are subtle but important distinctions to their work. I think Djehuty focuses on the personal acquisition, recording, and sharing of knowledge, in whatever subject; Seshat is the keeper of records, and the dissemination of knowledge to a community, especially foundational knowledge or learning. (There is a thing here, where "go to the library" or "go to an internet search engine" being the first step, I think.)

At the risk of oversimplifying - Djehuty is more aligned with the personal cultivation of knowledge and Seshat with it's communal application? Which makes sense, going back to the librarian/scribe job. Information is meant to be accessible and shared. Else it's just inert data like figurines on a shelf.

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I think, particularly in the role of a patron of work/duty, that a relationship with Seshat would be especially appropriate?

(Forgive me my lack of coherence- wording, it is difficult today.)

You're being very coherent and I appreciate it!
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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2014, 04:10:16 pm »
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Let me see if I can word this right now... I'm not unlike you in that my focus is on acting in Ma'at, rather than on relations with Netjeru. Sekhmet's around somewhere, occasionally checking over my shoulder and scaring whoever happens to catch the message for me, but that's the extent of my actual deity relationship.

However, you may recall my recent-ish post on hearth kemeticism, where having a Taweret statue around for my regular housekeeping got me into the mindset of "This, too, is ma'at", and focused me on how this, too was important to keeping the world turning. I wouldn't call it a deity relationship in any but the most liberal sense - the statue is really just there because she is patron of the home, rather than because of any personal relationship - but it does help me focus on the ma'at work I'm doing and its meaning. I've since put up a (stick gods) Djehuti image at work for a similar purpose - because as a researcher, Djehuti is my patron, and I think that his image is a useful reminder that this, too, is ma'at, on days when I'm mostly just grumpy about the stuff I need to do.

Maybe this is the kind of direction you might look in?

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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2014, 04:27:13 pm »
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In my personal practice Djehuti, Seshet, and Ma'at are a working triad.

Djehuti represents the tools/processes utilized for knowledge.
Seshet represents the paths knowledge takes using the different tools supplied by the tools/processes Djehuti supplied.
Ma'at represents how knowledge and the output of knowledge interacts with the universe to uphold the universe/community.

This is a really interesting system! Would you mind sharing how you came to work with these three as a triad? It clicks together really well for me.
« Last Edit: July 07, 2014, 04:27:29 pm by Sage »
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Re: Exploring Thoth and Seshat
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2014, 04:35:29 pm »
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Sometimes just doing a parallel path to what a deity stands for is enough for Them. I know personally I don't have the bandwidth to reach out to everyone, but when I nod and say, "AHA, hi you!" is enough in some cases.

Do you feel the need for additional interaction, or is what you are doing already enough interaction?

 
That's a really good question! I suppose the answer right now is "I'm not sure." My conscious interaction with Seshat up to this point has been "huh, She's a pretty cool lady" and going on with my day. Occasionally posting puns in Her honor on my professional twitter.

What I'm contemplating at the moment is striking up a more direct working relationship with Her specifically around my profession (and information science/literacy at large). Perhaps I could start by, say, dedicating my work shifts to Seshat or specifically thinking of Her when I read, write, or do the library social media thing.
Maker, though the darkness comes upon me,
I shall embrace the light. I shall weather the storm.
I shall endure.
What you have created, no one can tear asunder.

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