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Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« on: September 15, 2012, 12:36:12 pm »
So, recently I've had some dreams that stand out against many of the others I've had in the last month. I've shared a couple of them here, but in the Divination Forum. One dream involved a very vivid experience of channeling, or attempting to anyone. I wasn't wholly unsuccessful, but someone else in the dream ended up having to do it. The spirit being channeled was upset that no one was using her money (to the tune of 50 thousand dollars) that she had left available to be used. Like she was really upset that no one was using it and she had made arrangements for the whole total to be used by her "grandson" (my friend, who was the one who ended up having to do the channeling, he doesn't do this sort of thing IRL) and his friends. While IRL channeling is a scary prospect to me, the fact I was willingly doing it in dream, that it was the whole main focus is rather curious. I definitely woke up feeling excited and even mildly euphoric from the dream experience as well. It was intense and involved and extremely realistic sensation-wise. This signals importance to me, because I only have such dreams when they are, in fact, important and a "what up" from an Other.

The second dream is very long, highly detailed and involved. It tackles some issues of cleansing and trying to be spiritually clean, responsible, and dependable. Being late was a major thing here because I was on a probationary period at my job and being late or messing up could mean losing the job. Now, IRL there's no such probationary period for me to worry about, and quite frankly I'm able to get there on time pretty reliably. In the dream I just wasn't able to get things done in a timely manner and was getting frustrated. But, the really important part was near the end, where I was with several people in a house about to do a ritual of some sort.

I don’t know what we’re doing. There are several people here and no faces are clear to me, but we’re definitely preparing or in the middle of some sort of ritual. I think it’s a “reading” of some sort and an attempt to connect magically to something but I don’t know what, most likely the gods. I do know, that I saw a tattoo on someone’s leg, I’m assuming it’s veggiewolf (yeah she didn't technically show up in the dream but I was receiving texts from her about an urgent topic we needed to discuss and something about numbers), but I don’t know.

This tattoo, it’s a gothic-like cross, black outlined and two shades of green, sort of olive-copper oxide and a heather gray green if you will. And there’s a voice, not one I know, but similar to my thought voice, but distinctly outside of me saying “It’s a nine inch cross. A spirit hurts/punishes her when it helps or hurts her. Later she would find that spirit to be Set because He craved her.”

I stared at it for a moment, wondering what the hell that could even possibly begin to mean and woke up, with the intense need to record this dream, but especially the dialogue. Now, the cross in question was not nine inches by any means, maybe four or five inches long, but not nine. And, I just don’t get that dialogue. I puzzled this out with a friend and came to the possible conclusion that this is in fact all about me and something I'm doing.

"Cross represents your willingness to bear burdens and surrender yourself to assist others."-from a dream dictionary.
Now at first it didn't make sense but then I realized that doing that stuff is not necessarily positive and can be harmful.

"Green represents beneficial change, positive well being. Maturity. Productivity. Hope. Healing. Peace."

"Black represents disapproval in a person or situation. It also stands for darkness. Isolation. Unimportance. Concealment. Dishonesty."

The conclusion my friend and I came to is that it's possible that Set doesn't like this cross, regardless of whether it helps or hurts, is because the cross represents surrendering self for others and bearing burdens in a negative sense, basically a representation of caring for others at my expense and doing things I think should be done instead of what I actually need. The green represents what could happen for me and the black outline a show of disapproval of anything outside of the green. If you have a different idea, please do share.

So, I write all of this stuff to ask three things:

1. What, if anything, do you think the gods in question may be trying to tell me?

2. To any Anpu-kids out there, I want to ask about your experiences with Him and what it's like being His long term and things like that. What are your experiences with Him, especially when He may want you to do something, for lack of a better word, unusual?

3. Set kids, I want to ask you about your experiences with Set and what working with Him is like and how He tends to approach things, especially with newbies. And what it's like being His long term as well.

Both dreams are on my blog as recent posts by the way, in more detail and such. Blog link in my sig. Please help? No idea what I'm doing over here :o
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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2012, 01:18:35 pm »
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2. To any Anpu-kids out there, I want to ask about your experiences with Him and what it's like being His long term and things like that. What are your experiences with Him, especially when He may want you to do something, for lack of a better word, unusual?

Sorry, could you point me to the Anpu-bit of the dream, I have trouble finding it. :confused:

What is it he wants you to do?

I don't have much of a clue of kemetic stuff and I only have a few experiences with a jackal-like-animal which I suspect being Anpu, so I'm not sure I can be of much help...but I can summarize my experiences...

He never wanted me to do something strange, in fact he seems not to nudge me in any direction at all, he's more like some kind of protective guardian, especially around underworldly stuff. He once brought me back something from below.

There are deities who can be intimidating and some of the images of him look a bit eerie, but he never felt like what I expected, he feels very benign and gentle.

I'm not really sure the guy I'm dealing with is really Anpu. I have a sitting jackal-statue and I can feel that there's a very definite presence in it, but my dreams and spirit journeys are so non-verbal that I really have problems with specific names (if the beings don't show me very specific attributes so I can tell specificly from which pantheon they are or if it's a deity at all and not 'jackal spirit' or something....).

So, not sure my experiences are of help...

Btw, I generally don't work much with dream dictionaries because I find that the meaning to different people can be very different and the dream dictionary doesn't necessary show you what the dream symbol means for you specifically.

I also think that symbols and images contain power and it's often easier to access that power by 'diving' into the symbol and not by analyzing it theoretically from above. So I work with my dream symbols, paint them, display them on my altar, meditate about them, associate on them, ask others about their associations etc. that way the story around them can evolve and I can connect to them. The meaning often comes later, especially when I don't try to analyze them.

I'm not saying dream dictionaries can't be of help, but I'd rather read several of them and look if I find anything that resonates and use that as a jump off-point for another dive into the symbol.

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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2012, 01:32:38 pm »
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Sorry, could you point me to the Anpu-bit of the dream, I have trouble finding it. :confused:

What is it he wants you to do?

I don't have much of a clue of kemetic stuff and I only have a few experiences with a jackal-like-animal which I suspect being Anpu, so I'm not sure I can be of much help...but I can summarize my experiences...

He never wanted me to do something strange, in fact he seems not to nudge me in any direction at all, he's more like some kind of protective guardian, especially around underworldly stuff. He once brought me back something from below.

There are deities who can be intimidating and some of the images of him look a bit eerie, but he never felt like what I expected, he feels very benign and gentle.

I'm not really sure the guy I'm dealing with is really Anpu. I have a sitting jackal-statue and I can feel that there's a very definite presence in it, but my dreams and spirit journeys are so non-verbal that I really have problems with specific names (if the beings don't show me very specific attributes so I can tell specificly from which pantheon they are or if it's a deity at all and not 'jackal spirit' or something....).

So, not sure my experiences are of help...

Btw, I generally don't work much with dream dictionaries because I find that the meaning to different people can be very different and the dream dictionary doesn't necessary show you what the dream symbol means for you specifically.

I also think that symbols and images contain power and it's often easier to access that power by 'diving' into the symbol and not by analyzing it theoretically from above. So I work with my dream symbols, paint them, display them on my altar, meditate about them, associate on them, ask others about their associations etc. that way the story around them can evolve and I can connect to them. The meaning often comes later, especially when I don't try to analyze them.

I'm not saying dream dictionaries can't be of help, but I'd rather read several of them and look if I find anything that resonates and use that as a jump off-point for another dive into the symbol.

 
Sorry, it's not obvious about the first dream that I see Anpu here. He tends to show up in dreams as a presence and not an actual physical form. He was there to me and dealing with the dead is right up His alley and I tend to think things and not write or say them because I have a bad habit of forgetting people can't read my mind. My apologies for that lol Also, He is the first one I'd turn to to ask about that sort of dreams. I might ask humans or a different entity about other dreams, but a dream like that one? Definitely something I'd ask the Lord of the Horizons about.

Now, I will say I do see Anpu as rather gentle and guardian-like, but He definitely has something in mind for me, and I have no idea what it is. He'll tell me when He feels like it, but currently I don't think it matters because I'm still finding my feet. He's not the sort to rush, thankfully He has a lot of patience and He knows how to handle me at least. As far as the dream dictionaries, I find them helpful to start the process of unraveling the symbols. Green is a color of peace and relaxation, calm and growth for me, so it's not far off from the dictionary. Also, I've found that several people I've talked to find Anpu to be rather nonverbal, so yeah there's that lol
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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2012, 11:05:29 pm »
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3. Set kids, I want to ask you about your experiences with Set and what working with Him is like and how He tends to approach things, especially with newbies. And what it's like being His long term as well.

 
Himself doesn't provide answers.  He provides problems.  Solving the problems is what provides you with answers.

Swearing at Him helps a lot.  Also, it appears to amuse, but part of Big Red's schtick is about what He would probably term "growing some fucking balls already" so a good solid head of blasphemy is proof that - even if one is mortally terrified of the possible consequences - fear is not one's keeper.

It is very difficult for me to talk about my relationship with Set.  I love Him deeply, and I simultaneously think that He is a cosmic-scale asshole.  It is all very, very complicated.
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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2012, 11:23:40 pm »
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Himself doesn't provide answers.  He provides problems.  Solving the problems is what provides you with answers.

Swearing at Him helps a lot.  Also, it appears to amuse, but part of Big Red's schtick is about what He would probably term "growing some fucking balls already" so a good solid head of blasphemy is proof that - even if one is mortally terrified of the possible consequences - fear is not one's keeper.

It is very difficult for me to talk about my relationship with Set.  I love Him deeply, and I simultaneously think that He is a cosmic-scale asshole.  It is all very, very complicated.

 
You're not the only one to say stuff like that about Big Red lol So far anything the god says to me is confusing as fuck :hdsk: What happens if I ask for clarification? Dreams about colorful penises and a penis statue. Yeah XD oh, and a decapitated cat...
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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2012, 05:21:39 am »
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2. To any Anpu-kids out there, I want to ask about your experiences with Him and what it's like being His long term and things like that. What are your experiences with Him, especially when He may want you to do something, for lack of a better word, unusual?

 
I am accustomed to Him staring, quietly, in a non-menacing way--not hostile, or disappointed, or even particularly stern, just...patient.  Occasionally the infuriating kind of patient, even though He has generally struck me as kind and even warm sometimes.  There have been times I needed to do something and the hint was getting patiently quietly impassively stared at, often, until I stopped flipping out and starting sussing things out.  He will just wait out all the flailing and begging and thrashing, and just wait for it to die, and then still be there.  I will get long periods of minimal contact from Him, only to have Him show up when a difficult passage was coming, or during a time of trial, or when I was doing the relevant work.

I do get a sense of Anpu "showing up," like being actually present, in a way I have with very few other Gods.  I have always thought of it as a psychopomp thing--They get everywhere, and show up for people.  Other Gods I might experience as far away, or more abstracted, or speaking from within me; other than one incidence of being ridden for a brief moment by Anpu, I get a distinct sense of Him being, like, in the room sometimes.  I have a very distinct image of His hands as long and brown and gentle and competent.

I don't know that I "belong" to Him?  I jokingly refer to Him as "the Boss," because that patronage relationship is mostly about my calling and work and while I experience Him as caring and kind, I am an employee and a devotee, not family.  I don't know.  In general, my relationship with Him has been very good for me.

I want to note, while you're working on interpreting, that black and green would certainly mean things to Anpu that they might not in an American dream interpretation book.  It might be worth looking into more distinctly Egyptian glosses on the colors.
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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2012, 10:09:51 am »
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2. To any Anpu-kids out there, I want to ask about your experiences with Him and what it's like being His long term and things like that. What are your experiences with Him, especially when He may want you to do something, for lack of a better word, unusual?


 
I've thought about it and really can't figure out what the gods might be trying to tell you. XD I can barely interpret my own dreams, let alone anyone else's, though I gave it a shot. You might want to stay away from dream dictionaries, though, and stay with specifically Kemetic interpretations of as many of the signs and symbols as possible.

I've replied to answer the above.

I no longer specifically worship Anpu because after two years it was obvious to both of us that it was time for me to move on. I still want to put his statues on my Akhu shrine (if I ever get the dang thing set up again . . .) for obvious reasons.

Anpu has always been quiet in my experience. So quiet that, sometimes, if you're not paying attention, you don't even know he's there. He is "master of secrets", after all. He always came across as a gentle deity, kind of out there on the outskirts of everything, but not inaccessible. I'd also get impressions of him as a tougher deity, sometimes, in his role of enforcer of curses and as one who protects the mummy.

Anpu's never asked me to do anything strange, but he can be playful and a bit whimsical, so I wouldn't be surprised if he asked one of his followers to do something "out there".

As for Set . . . well, I'm not a Set kid, and the only experience I've had with him (thus . . . far?) is annoying him, or maybe outright pissing him off. :ashamed: Gotta use the ol' brain more often.
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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2012, 01:24:59 pm »
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I've thought about it and really can't figure out what the gods might be trying to tell you. XD I can barely interpret my own dreams, let alone anyone else's, though I gave it a shot. You might want to stay away from dream dictionaries, though, and stay with specifically Kemetic interpretations of as many of the signs and symbols as possible.

I've replied to answer the above.

I no longer specifically worship Anpu because after two years it was obvious to both of us that it was time for me to move on. I still want to put his statues on my Akhu shrine (if I ever get the dang thing set up again . . .) for obvious reasons.

Anpu has always been quiet in my experience. So quiet that, sometimes, if you're not paying attention, you don't even know he's there. He is "master of secrets", after all. He always came across as a gentle deity, kind of out there on the outskirts of everything, but not inaccessible. I'd also get impressions of him as a tougher deity, sometimes, in his role of enforcer of curses and as one who protects the mummy.

Anpu's never asked me to do anything strange, but he can be playful and a bit whimsical, so I wouldn't be surprised if he asked one of his followers to do something "out there".

As for Set . . . well, I'm not a Set kid, and the only experience I've had with him (thus . . . far?) is annoying him, or maybe outright pissing him off. :ashamed: Gotta use the ol' brain more often.

ok, to everyone who has said it so far, I ask this, where on earth would I find info about Kemetic symbols and interpretations? And how would a cross get interpreted? Green and black?

Also, I definitely get the playful and whimsy from Anpu as well lol I get the quiet, gentle, patient thing, the "I'll wait til you're done your tantrum" attitude, definitely get the moments where it's really obvious that He's there in a very palpable sense, as well as the staring lol

Also, I notice everyone saying they've never had Him ask for something strange, but I don't find this particularly odd, just unusual. Something out of the ordinary that I would never think to do or consider. I don't know, that's what I think lol
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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2012, 01:35:07 pm »
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ok, to everyone who has said it so far, I ask this, where on earth would I find info about Kemetic symbols and interpretations?

 
Check out Wilkinson's Symbol and Magic in Egyptian Art.
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Check out Wilkinson's Symbol and Magic in Egyptian Art.

 
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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2012, 09:10:45 am »
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...I do know, that I saw a tattoo on someone’s leg, I’m assuming it’s veggiewolf (yeah she didn't technically show up in the dream but I was receiving texts from her about an urgent topic we needed to discuss and something about numbers), but I don’t know.

This tattoo, it’s a gothic-like cross, black outlined and two shades of green, sort of olive-copper oxide and a heather gray green if you will. And there’s a voice, not one I know, but similar to my thought voice, but distinctly outside of me saying “It’s a nine inch cross. A spirit hurts/punishes her when it helps or hurts her. Later she would find that spirit to be Set because He craved her.”...


Interesting.  I actually owe Himself a tattoo.

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I stared at it for a moment, wondering what the hell that could even possibly begin to mean and woke up, with the intense need to record this dream, but especially the dialogue. Now, the cross in question was not nine inches by any means, maybe four or five inches long, but not nine. And, I just don’t get that dialogue. I puzzled this out with a friend and came to the possible conclusion that this is in fact all about me and something I'm doing.

"Cross represents your willingness to bear burdens and surrender yourself to assist others."-from a dream dictionary.
Now at first it didn't make sense but then I realized that doing that stuff is not necessarily positive and can be harmful.

"Green represents beneficial change, positive well being. Maturity. Productivity. Hope. Healing. Peace."

"Black represents disapproval in a person or situation. It also stands for darkness. Isolation. Unimportance. Concealment. Dishonesty."


FWIW, I'm looking at this dream differently but, then again, I tend to do dream interpretation from the POV of a lifelong lucid dreamer.  If you want to PM me, I can give you my $0.02.

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3. Set kids, I want to ask you about your experiences with Set and what working with Him is like and how He tends to approach things, especially with newbies. And what it's like being His long term as well...

 
Belonging to Big Red runs the gamut from excruciating to ecstatic.  I work for Him, if you will, rather than with Him.  I am His tool in the world.

The one thing Himself always demands is that a conscious choice be made.  As the song says, "...If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."  You can choose to dither about, you can choose to do what He says, you can choose to rail and swear at Him but you have to recognize that you've chosen...and that there are always consequences associated with doing so.

(Btw, consequences get a bad rap but people would do well to remember that they can be positive or negative.)

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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2012, 12:23:20 am »
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ok, to everyone who has said it so far, I ask this, where on earth would I find info about Kemetic symbols and interpretations? And how would a cross get interpreted? Green and black?

 
Here are my initial thoughts, hopefully they may at least create a small spark of "Eureka".

Green and black are often times hand in hand or separately atributted to water, earth, death, rebirth and transformation. Asar is often times shown with green or black skin, and even though jackals don't always have black coats, Anpu is shown as having black skin. I don't know of any internet sources that can help.

The only "crosses" I have heard of in the case of Egyptian is the Ankh and the Tau Cross, but I'm guessing you're talking about a "horizontal-line-crossing-a-vertical-line cross.

As far as experiences with Set, Darkhawk and Veggie said it best already and I don't think I need to repeat it.

I can't say much about Anpu because I'm just becoming familiar with Him myself.

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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2012, 01:22:50 am »
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Green and black are often times hand in hand or separately atributted to water, earth, death, rebirth and transformation. Asar is often times shown with green or black skin, and even though jackals don't always have black coats, Anpu is shown as having black skin. I don't know of any internet sources that can help.

 
More precisely, wild jackals almost never have black coats, unless they're melanistic, and that's true of most wild canines.  Black wolves just about only occur in bloodlines that have interbred with domestic dogs, for instance--black coats are something bred for in domestic dogs that are extremely rare elsewhere among canines.  Jackals are either a tawny color with a broad ashy stripe down the back or, in the case of the species most likely associated with Anpu, wholly a sort of rusty color with darker and lighter highlights.  (Wiki says the golden jackal has a higher occurrence of melanism than the other species, which may be relevant.)  The fact that Anpu is depicted as black is special.

Black is a lot of things, but one of the things it is is the black lands--the fertile soil nearest to the Nile, fed by floodplain silt and decay, where things can grow.
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Re: Anpu, Set, and crazy dreams
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2012, 04:13:18 am »
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Green and black are often times hand in hand or separately atributted to water, earth, death, rebirth and transformation.

 
Green is the colour of both regeneration and also putrefaction. Osiris walks the fine line between being green like a growing plant or being green like a rotting corpse. As has already been said, black is the colour of the rich Nile soil, ideal for plant growth. But black is also the colour of shadow/night, which is full of dangers and secrets. Osiris is tended in secret and darkness under the protection of Anubis, enabling him to be reborn. But without such protection one might find themselves trapped in the darkness and left to rot.

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* In Memoriam

Chavi (2006)
Elspeth (2010)
Marilyn (2013)

* Cauldron Staff

Co-Hosts:
LyricFox & Randall

Senior Staff:
Darkhawk

Message Board Staff
Board Coordinator:
Sunflower

Assistant Board Coordinator:
Aster Breo

Board Staff:
Allaya, Chatelaine, HarpingHawke, Jenett, Morag, rocquelaire, Sefiru

Discord Chat Staff
Chat Coordinator:
Morag

Reserve Staff:
Aisling

Cauldron Council:
Bob, Catja, Emma-Eldritch, Fausta, Jubes, Kelly, Phouka, Sperran, Star, Steve, Tana

Cauldron Assistants
[Non-Staff Positions]

Site Assistants
[Non-Staff Positions]
Webmaster:
Randall