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Author Topic: A Book About Kemeticism. Supposedly.  (Read 5493 times)

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Re: A Book About Kemeticism. Supposedly.
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2011, 10:11:58 pm »
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I have to wonder why KO brings out such strong reactions with one another. When I was looking into it, my reaction was, "This isn't for me," but I can't say that I felt it strongly. Is there a reason anyone can think of for this?

 
First: KO is the first established group.  They in many ways defined the discourse around Kemetic recon, which means that anyone who isn't KO has at some level to respond to issues brought up by the existence of KO.  (And people who aren't KO are more likely to be negative about those issues.)  Think of it as like Catholicism and all the Protestant denominations - a lot of Protestants aren't all that clear on much of anything other than we are not Catholic!

Second: a lot of people who have been in HON and left had extensively negative experiences with the group or with its social milieu.  It's not just doctrinal or interpretation differences at that point, or even the occasional "some priest told me the only way to be Kemetic is to be KO", but something personal, and personal beefs are a lot more emotive than abstract ones.
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Re: A Book About Kemeticism. Supposedly.
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2011, 10:48:28 pm »
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but something personal, and personal beefs are a lot more emotive than abstract ones.

 
In the case of LaBorde, this would be the reason why. If you look through the old TC board, you'll find her discussing a bit about why she dislikes KO. However, I find her reasons feeble at best. And there is still no reason to hate KO in that manner, or many of it's adherents.

Really, to spread hate like that just gives all of us a bad name, IMO.

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Re: A Book About Kemeticism. Supposedly.
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2011, 11:44:36 pm »
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In the case of LaBorde, this would be the reason why. If you look through the old TC board, you'll find her discussing a bit about why she dislikes KO. However, I find her reasons feeble at best. And there is still no reason to hate KO in that manner, or many of it's adherents.

Really, to spread hate like that just gives all of us a bad name, IMO.

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From what I understand she doesn't like KO, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that she hates it. I remember she locked a thread on her forum where one particular member kept bashing it.

I can understand why she had that one particular section in her book. I remember finding the KO website and being thrilled that there was a Kemetic group out there. When I found out how they viewed Rev. Suida, that feeling vanished. I think that the main take-away message from that part of the book was that you didn't have to have a pharoah, leader, etc. to be a Kemetic.

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Re: A Book About Kemeticism. Supposedly.
« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2011, 12:02:47 pm »
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From what I understand she doesn't like KO, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that she hates it. I remember she locked a thread on her forum where one particular member kept bashing it.

I can understand why she had that one particular section in her book. I remember finding the KO website and being thrilled that there was a Kemetic group out there. When I found out how they viewed Rev. Suida, that feeling vanished. I think that the main take-away message from that part of the book was that you didn't have to have a pharoah, leader, etc. to be a Kemetic.

 
The problem is- there wasn't just one section about how KO is bad. It showed through in many many chapters. If you know her back story (or most of it), you'd be able to see more of the nitpicks. Believe me, they are there.

To me, if you're trying to be a leader in this community (Kemetics as a whole) you need to learn to be the bigger man, and keep that out of your books. It's disrespectful, and doesn't reflect well on the rest of us who are trying to be equal amongst all Kemetics (and working on interfaith stuff). To bash like that just makes you look childish.

And on a side note, I can tell you that many KOers were OMG! A new book on Kemeticism! They were even hopeful she'd join the forum and talk to them- not necessarily join KO, but discuss, share, etc. Once word got out that she did KO bashing, many decided they were no longer going to buy the book. That they didn't want to support that.

Love KO. Hate KO. Doesn't matter. If you want to get anywhere in this community, some restraint and tact is necessary. At least, from where I stand it is.

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Re: A Book About Kemeticism. Supposedly.
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2011, 01:05:19 pm »
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Love KO. Hate KO. Doesn't matter. If you want to get anywhere in this community, some restraint and tact is necessary. At least, from where I stand it is.

 
"The hot-headed man in the temple is like a tree grown in a garden.  Suddenly it bears fruit, it reaches its end in the carpentry shop, it is floated away far from its place, or fire is its funeral pyre.  The truly temperate man sets himself apart.  He is like a tree grown in a sunlit field, but it flourishes, it doubles its yield, it stands before its owner; its fruit is something sweet, its shade is pleasant, and it reaches its end in a garden."

"Do not fraternize with the hot-tempered man, nor approach him to converse.  Safeguard your tongue from answering your superior, and take care not to speak against him.  Do not allow him to cast words only to entrap you, and be not too free in your replies.  With a man of your own station discuss the reply, and take care of speaking thoughtlessly; when a man's heart is upset, words travel faster than wind and rain.   He is ruined and created by his tongue, and yet ...."

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Re: A Book About Kemeticism. Supposedly.
« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2011, 02:48:39 pm »
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My main man, Amenemope.  (Not sure of the translator; this is from a 1973 book edited by William Kelly Simpson.  I have other translations, this is just the one right next to me right now.)

 
Even so, still useful and relevant for this day and age.

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Re: A Book About Kemeticism. Supposedly.
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2011, 04:13:24 pm »
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The problem is- there wasn't just one section about how KO is bad. It showed through in many many chapters. If you know her back story (or most of it), you'd be able to see more of the nitpicks. Believe me, they are there.

To me, if you're trying to be a leader in this community (Kemetics as a whole) you need to learn to be the bigger man, and keep that out of your books. It's disrespectful, and doesn't reflect well on the rest of us who are trying to be equal amongst all Kemetics (and working on interfaith stuff). To bash like that just makes you look childish.

And on a side note, I can tell you that many KOers were OMG! A new book on Kemeticism! They were even hopeful she'd join the forum and talk to them- not necessarily join KO, but discuss, share, etc. Once word got out that she did KO bashing, many decided they were no longer going to buy the book. That they didn't want to support that.

Love KO. Hate KO. Doesn't matter. If you want to get anywhere in this community, some restraint and tact is necessary. At least, from where I stand it is.

-Devo

 
I'll probably have to reread the book, since her one section on Kemetic leadership was the only one I remember having any possible anti-KO bias. It's possible that it went over my head. But I would agree with you, Devo. I don't really like KO but I'm not going to go around bashing it. People ought to be able to make up their own minds about various groups and philosophies.

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Re: A Book About Kemeticism. Supposedly.
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2011, 04:34:29 pm »
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I'll probably have to reread the book, since her one section on Kemetic leadership was the only one I remember having any possible anti-KO bias. It's possible that it went over my head. But I would agree with you, Devo. I don't really like KO but I'm not going to go around bashing it. People ought to be able to make up their own minds about various groups and philosophies.

 
I think it was esp. easy for me because I know her back story, and I know more about her. I wasn't the only one who could see it, though.

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