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Humor and Quizzes / Re: Pagan Word Association
« Last post by Sefiru on Today at 06:06:03 pm »
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Non-Pagan Religions and Interfaith Discussions / Re: Omnism
« Last post by Jainarayan on Today at 10:28:06 am »
So I just recently came across the term "Omnism", which is essentially a belief that there is truth in all religions. I have used the term "Universalist" for my own similar views (that there is meaning in all religions; truth is more fact based and objective in my book, whereas meaning implies a certain amount of subjectivity). So I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on this term and the idea behind it. I am not saying that all religions are "true", but rather that all have "meaning". This can include non-belief also in my book.

Personally, I don't think there's much of a difference in the meaning behind universalism/-ist and omnism/-ist other than a new name for an old idea. Sometimes when a word or name gets overused or becomes hackneyed, and loses its punch, a new name or word is coined.

I'm Hindu, but I believe all religions are valid for their followers. Islam is perfectly valid and truthful... for a Muslim, but not for a Buddhist, Sikh, or Hindu. Hinduism is perfectly valid and truthful for a Hindu, but not necessarily for a Christian or Jew or Muslim. And so on. It's the parable of the blind men and the elephant. Each blind man perceives only one part of the complete elephant. Likewise, limited humans can perceive only part of the Truth. Verse 10.164.46 of the Rig Veda is an example of universalist/omnist thinking...

índraṃ mitráṃ váruṇam agním āhur átho divyáḥ sá suparṇó garútmān
ékaṃ sádvíprā bahudhā́ vadanty agníṃ yamáṃ mātaríśvānam āhuḥ

They called him Indra, Mitra, Varuṇa, Agni; yea, he is heavenly Garuḍa, who has beautiful wings.
That which is One, the sages call by many names; they called him Agni, Yama, Mātariśvan.

The text could have easily said
índraṃ mitráṃ váruṇam agním āhur átho divyáḥ sá suparṇó garútmān
odinam yeshvam allaham deuṣam ca
(my faux Sanskrit inflecting)
ékaṃ sádvíprā bahudhā́ vadanty agníṃ yamáṃ mātaríśvānam āhuḥ

They called him Indra, Mitra, Varuṇa, Agni; yea, he is heavenly Garuḍa, who has beautiful wings
Odin  Yeshua Allah and Deus
That which is One, the sages call by many names; they called him Agni, Yama, Mātariśvan


However, there's a difference between universalism/omnism and syncretism/eclecticism. Universalism and omnism are easy enough to hold as beliefs and philosophies; syncretism and eclecticism are largely all but impossible to practice. Confusion and conflict can set in.
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Humor and Quizzes / Re: Pagan Word Association
« Last post by ehbowen on Today at 07:03:12 am »
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Gods, Goddesses, and Mythology / Re: Change and deity
« Last post by arete on Today at 05:56:01 am »
I think this comes down to a difference in world views. You believe (if I'm reading you right) that abstract concepts don't change, only the physical world does; similar to Platonic Ideals.

(Also, the idea of an entity remaining unchanged while effecting change is *straight* out of Plato. It's all done with magnets  ;) )

On the other hand, I've said before that Plato can kiss my heinie. I don't even believe that Love (or Evil, or Hope or whatever) is a single entity; it's a category of human behaviors and experiences, whose boundaries are also defined by human minds. If people's experience, expression and labeling of 'love' change, then Love will, of course, also change.

Shorter version:
Plato would say the idea of Love came first, and all real-world instances of it came after (and are cheap copies). Arete seems to be going with this view.
I would say that real-world behaviors and experiences came first, people decided some of them belonged in the same category and called it 'love'.

Not to mention, I'm not even sure we're all using 'love' to mean the same thing here, and that can cause so much confusion. And this word in particular is tricky, because it has so many different and vaguely-defined areas of meaning.
Ah! Not many people accept Plato, I guess! I'm a minority!  ;)
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Gods, Goddesses, and Mythology / Re: Change and deity
« Last post by arete on Today at 05:54:00 am »
Hm,  I think we're both struggling to understand where this discussion's been going to, so perhaps this is a bit of a non-starter.  At least at the moment.

Let's each go pick some other threads to interact with, what do you say?  :)

Edit to correct typo
Ok! :)
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Humor and Quizzes / Re: Pagan Word Association
« Last post by Starlight on Today at 04:58:26 am »
Hopelessly Devoted to You

Olivia Newton John
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Humor and Quizzes / Re: Pagan Word Association
« Last post by victoreia on Yesterday at 10:24:36 pm »
Greased lightning

Hopelessly Devoted to You
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Gods, Goddesses, and Mythology / Re: Change and deity
« Last post by Sefiru on Yesterday at 07:55:08 pm »
How can we change love??? I don't understand.

I think this comes down to a difference in world views. You believe (if I'm reading you right) that abstract concepts don't change, only the physical world does; similar to Platonic Ideals.

(Also, the idea of an entity remaining unchanged while effecting change is *straight* out of Plato. It's all done with magnets  ;) )

On the other hand, I've said before that Plato can kiss my heinie. I don't even believe that Love (or Evil, or Hope or whatever) is a single entity; it's a category of human behaviors and experiences, whose boundaries are also defined by human minds. If people's experience, expression and labeling of 'love' change, then Love will, of course, also change.

Shorter version:
Plato would say the idea of Love came first, and all real-world instances of it came after (and are cheap copies). Arete seems to be going with this view.
I would say that real-world behaviors and experiences came first, people decided some of them belonged in the same category and called it 'love'.

Not to mention, I'm not even sure we're all using 'love' to mean the same thing here, and that can cause so much confusion. And this word in particular is tricky, because it has so many different and vaguely-defined areas of meaning.
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Crafts and Hobbies / Re: Cosplay
« Last post by Aisling on Yesterday at 07:29:52 pm »
I have no idea who these guys are supposed to be, but they were hot, so I took their photo. (Yes, I'm shameless! Also the unintentional sign placement behind them could have some interesting interpretations.)




It's a little disturbing that I actually know this.

They're from the cartoon Adventure Time. From left to right: Finn the Human, Lumpy Space Princess, and Jake the Dog.  The cosplay version is definitely hotter than the cartoon.
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Humor and Quizzes / Re: Pagan Word Association
« Last post by Sefiru on Yesterday at 07:21:47 pm »
White Lightning (I was kind of hoping a fellow car nut would say, 'Plymouth'!).

Greased lightning
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