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Prayers for my late aunt
« on: October 25, 2018, 09:03:49 pm »
Dear Cauldronites,

It's with sadness that I make this request. My aunt's actually been deceased for four years now, so It might seem odd to be asking you to pray for her now, but there's a reason for my doing so; she was a very selfish and flawed person, and she caused a lot of pain for other people. The consequences of the things she did are still affecting my cousins and other relatives, and I'm genuinely worried about her soul.

For a long time, I couldn't even forgive her enough to care about the fate of her soul, but she wasmy aunt, and there was a time when I loved her, and when she loved me, so I eventually came to forgiver her.

To spare you the details, and to keep people's identities private, I'm going to give you a short explanation of why, exactly, I'm asking you to pray for her, so you can make an informed decision before you pray for her.

Firstly, she was a spouse abuser. She got engaged with her first husband when she was only 14 and he was 16. He was schizophrenic, and extremely disabled, and was also addicted to cocaine because he used it to self medicate.

She would often attack him, spit in his face, and intentionally provoke him into defending himself, and then she would show people the bruises and pretend to be the victim. He attempted suicide several times.

The second reason I want you to pray for her is because she was a murderer. You see, one day, after she provoked her husband into a fight, she shot him and killed him. Now, some people think it was self defense and not murder, but the thing is, she also killed her second husband many years later, and that was indisputably murder, so I'm not willing to give her the benefit of the doubt in this case.

The third reason is because she was a thief, and a liar. She was addicted to hard drugs, and she was willing to steal from people to get drug money. She stole from her own relatives, even her own children and her own mother, and sold their belongings for drug money. She stole an heirloom from my mother, that had been passed down in her family since the 19th century, and we never got it back.

The fourth reason I want you to pray for her is because she was an adulteress. She cheated on both of her husbands regularly, sometimes with her own sister's boyfriend! She was always looking for men to seduce, and was very brazen about her infidelity.

The fifth reason I am asking you to pray for her is because she was an enabler for a pedophile. I know how bad that sounds, but it's true. Her second husband was a convicted child molester, and after both he and her passed away, one of her granddaughters came forth and told the family that he had sexually abused her, and furthermore, that she (my aunt) had known about it. That's probably one of the reasons she murdered him, her justification for doing it.

Because she did murder him. It was vehicular homicide. She was never convicted, because the police wanted him dead and didn't bother to pursue charges, and wrote down that it was an automobile accident. It was not. She admitted that she ran over him with her car and then drove it off a cliff to hide what' she'd done, but claimed she did it by accident and hid the evidence out of fear, rather than guilt. Nobody in the family believes that this is true. You don't accidentally flatten someone with an automobile.

She also disrespected her mother. In fact, she came to hospice while her mother, my grandmother, was dying of dementia and screamed at her and harassed her, and told her to die faster, and disrupted the rest of the family who were trying to mourn and make peace with the tragedy.

My aunt died as disturbingly as she lived. She froze to death, after getting high on drugs and walking home from the bar during a snow story. Her sister found her body, and is still traumatized by it.

Her two daughters, both of whom are adults now, are violent, addicted to drugs, and in abusive relationships. They were both sexually abused by her second husband. One of them has PTSD from going into the army to escape her abusive family.  I think she is largely responsible for their current condition.

Despite how horrible she was, if anyone here is willing to pray for mercy and forgiveness for her, I would greatly appreciate it. She was my aunt, and despite all that she did, her immediate family, especially her daughters and sister, still miss her deeply and mourn for her loss. I genuinely hope that they can someday be reunited and make peace with one another in the afterlife. Her loss still haunts my father, her brother, as well, and he frets constantly over the fact he fears that she is burning in hell. He tried hard do get her to admit herself to a mental institution. He feels that she would still be alive if she had done so. He hold a vigil for her every winter on the anniversary of her death.

[admin note: edited to add a portion that was cut off - Jenett]
« Last Edit: October 25, 2018, 09:34:29 pm by Jenett »
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Re: Prayers for my late aunt
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2018, 09:39:21 pm »
she was a very selfish and flawed person, and she caused a lot of pain for other people.

I do realize that some of you might be unwilling to pray for a person like that, and I understand. If you aren't comfortable praying in response to this, I do understand. Due to the nature of this stuff, I was hesitant to even post it here. It's rather heavy and painful for a lot of people.
"The worshippers of the gods go to them; to the manes go the ancestor-worshippers; to the Deities who preside over the elements go their worshippers; My devotees come to Me." ... "Whichever devotee desires to adore whatever such Deity with faith, in all such votaries I make that particular faith unshakable. Endowed with that faith, a votary performs the worship of that particular deity and obtains the fruits thereof, these being granted by Me alone." - Sri Krishna

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Re: Prayers for my late aunt
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2018, 01:09:44 am »
I do realize that some of you might be unwilling to pray for a person like that, and I understand. If you aren't comfortable praying in response to this, I do understand. Due to the nature of this stuff, I was hesitant to even post it here. It's rather heavy and painful for a lot of people.

Ender,

I pray with some regularity for Satan himself, so your aunt is not exactly heavy lifting! Please excuse; that's not intended to be flippant but in such a situation I think a touch of humor helps to lighten the mood.

But in these situations I don't pray for everything to be hunky-dory and sweetness and light; what I pray is that this person will receive what he (or she) needs in order to grow and develop into what he could and should have been. In a case like this that would be accountability, and righteous judgment...but judgment with a penalty which can eventually be paid, in full, with real restitution made to those whom he has harmed along the way. "Burning in hell" doesn't cut it for me...who does that really help? Picking up dog poop and pulling weeds for a very, very long time...that's more like it.

But at the same time I also pray that the justice would be exact. You see, I have the notion that one of Satan's tricks is, bluntly, "identity theft"...he wedges in, takes over a personality and their situation, and from that point "runs up their credit card" by driving them to do things which they otherwise wouldn't. So the question which immediately arises in my mind is, how many of these actions is your aunt, in her real core personality, truly responsible for? And how many occurred because she may have been to some degree or another demon-possessed?

It's a thorny question and one which is truly fit for Deity. At this point, all that I can do is make suggestions and, as you requested, pray for the situation. I might start a thread in "Interfaith" to go in more detail into how I view the spiritual landscape vis-a-vis Heaven, Hell, and judgment and related matters. For the moment, I am honored to pray that your aunt's soul would not be lost but would be found, would be judged fairly and righteously, and would ultimately be placed into a situation where she can make real restitution in a manner in which will turn out to be a blessing for everyone involved...which includes her.

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Re: Prayers for my late aunt
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2018, 01:30:21 am »
I am honored to pray that your aunt's soul would not be lost but would be found, would be judged fairly and righteously, and would ultimately be placed into a situation where she can make real restitution in a manner in which will turn out to be a blessing for everyone involved...which includes her.

Thanks, Eric.

This is honestly what I was hoping for myself. I'm a Hindu, and as such I don't expect my aunt's actions will be simply erased. Rather, I'm praying that she gets the chance for salvation, and that she takes that chance.

She wasn't exactly the sort of person, in life, who did what was best for herself, and I hope that, wherever and whatever she is right now, she can change that. If she keeps doing what she's been doing, it doesn't matter what sort of opportunity God gives her, she's not going to take it.

Like you, I believe that salvation eventually comes for everyone, and that everyone also has pay for their actions before they can be saved. (At least that's what I've gather about your beliefs from our conversations).

However, I also think that wanting to be saved is an important part of speeding up that process. A person who enjoys being sinful and self destructive is going to have a hard time, in this life or the next. I think that God will forgive my aunt, when the time is right, but I'm worried that she's going to spit in his face and turn away from him, just like she's turned away from everyone else who has ever tried to help her.

I guess what I'm really praying for is that, in the last four years, wherever she's at now, her soul has learned right from wrong, and that if she hasn't, that she will learn that lesson and turn herself around.

"The worshippers of the gods go to them; to the manes go the ancestor-worshippers; to the Deities who preside over the elements go their worshippers; My devotees come to Me." ... "Whichever devotee desires to adore whatever such Deity with faith, in all such votaries I make that particular faith unshakable. Endowed with that faith, a votary performs the worship of that particular deity and obtains the fruits thereof, these being granted by Me alone." - Sri Krishna

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