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The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« on: October 24, 2020, 12:25:59 pm »
Sup, American Cauldronites.

Who are you voting for, and why is it Joe Biden/a third party candidate to the left of Joe Biden?

(or possibly in MadZealot’s case, Jo Jorgensen?)

If memory serves I was the only one here who voted for Trump, but that is not a distinction I can claim a second time around — this time I’ll be voting a split ticket; Biden at the top and then Republicans all the way down. FiveThirtyEight gives the Republican challengers for my district and senate races less than a one-in-a-hundred chance of winning, but I feel I might as well do my bit for the sake of times past. My personal hope is that we keep the Senate to check the Biden Administration but I’m not hot on that prospect either...

While I’m pleased with a number of policy achievements made by the Trump Administration — comprehensively reshaping the judiciary, a staunchly Zionist approach to the ME, the Justice Department’s new commitment to religious liberty, the State Department’s opposition to abortion on the world stage, the list goes on — the botched pandemic response has illustrated that sometimes policy achievements need be set on the back burner.

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2020, 09:45:02 pm »
If memory serves I was the only one here who voted for Trump....

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2020, 10:41:09 pm »

(or possibly in MadZealot’s case, Jo Jorgensen?)


Nawp. I quit the LP a couple years ago. Decided I really didn't agree with their platform. The social side of the platform is fine, but the economic side is a bit too ancap (which is pollyannic by nature) and favors the robber-baron.

Didn't vote for Lord Blathercunt last time, and he hasn't earned my vote this time. He did a couple of things I liked (the First Steps Act springs to mind) but the rest is a no-go.

Obviously the worst of it has been his pandemic response. He knew it was bad, he lied about it, and he politicized it to gin up the rubes.

But then there's the piling of debt. The deficits even pre-pandemic were on par with the Obama years. And then there's the fact he's been more hostile to 2nd Amendment than Obama (who actually expanded gun rights) ever was. Fauxservatives whistle right past that shit while lobbying for their boy to get a Nobel for the mere act of not starting another war (although, perhaps, not for lack of trying).

The Republicans are no better, and their greatest sin has been their hypocrisy, blindingly obvious in all their Court fuckery. The whole party gets a vote of no-confidence from me. That's why I'm voting a straight Dem ticket for the first time in.... shit, almost 30 years.

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2020, 10:57:08 pm »
Sup, American Cauldronites.

Who are you voting for, and why is it Joe Biden/a third party candidate to the left of Joe Biden?

It's Joe Biden.

That said, I do not care for the guy. Besides the fact that he is credibly alleged to be guilty of sexual assault, and even if you don't believe that he's known to be unpleasantly handsy with women...he's at best a milquetoast moderate and at worst a populist version of a neocon warhawk in neoliberal clothing.

But he does not actively encourage fascist agitators to uphold him as the emperor of the USA* while taking out all their fears and angers on racial and sexual minorities. So he passes a bar that Trump does not in a big way, and more than anything, we need Trump out.

I'm less voting for Biden than I am against Trump--and I know a lot of progressives would say the same. Getting Trump out of power and a milquetoast neoliberal in his place will at least give us room to breathe while we push for more progress.

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My personal hope is that we keep the Senate to check the Biden Administration but I’m not hot on that prospect either...

What the heck do you think the Biden administration would do that the Senate needs to keep "in check"? Biden is moderately liberal on domestic social issues, less isolationist than Trump on the global stage (while still supporting much imperialist/colonialist policy), and not wildly different than Trump economically.

It never ceases to amaze me that conservative voters lose their minds over minor differences between centrist Democrats and Republicans; they would faint dead away if they knew what was considered "centrist" by other nations.
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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2020, 12:41:02 am »
[Canuck interjection] You're forgetting Eric.

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Eric probably will pull the lever for Trump again, although there is a distinct possibility that I may vote a blank ballot instead. I've done it before.

As I look at it, the Democratic party wants to drive this country off the cliff at ninety miles an hour. The Republicans are different; they only want to drive off the cliff at thirty-five miles an hour! Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, is advocating that we stop or, heaven forbid, turn around!

I'm not talking about window dressing like abortion or sodomite faux-"marriage". I'm talking about a return to foundational principles, such as applying the law equally to all, small and great...no "nod, nod, wink, wink" for those in government service or corporate boardrooms. I'm talking about the continuing devaluation of our currency which ensures that you cannot retain what you earn and save it for the future without resorting to desperate speculative "investments" managed by an outside party. I'm talking about big firms using environmental and other regulations to squeeze the little guy out of business while they themselves offshore their production to countries where they can use virtual slave labor and foul the environment with abandon.

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #5 on: October 26, 2020, 06:25:30 am »
It never ceases to amaze me that conservative voters lose their minds over minor differences between centrist Democrats and Republicans; they would faint dead away if they knew what was considered "centrist" by other nations.

The policies, ideas, and attitudes that comprise the Overton Window in the United States does indeed cause bafflement and dismay from the viewpoint of Norway, which was occupied by actual Nazis and where the word Quisling still means something.
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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2020, 12:58:04 pm »
sodomite faux-"marriage"
Does someone need to sit down and have "the talk" with you and explain that, yes, straight people fuck each other up the ass too?


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Does someone also need to offer a basic civics explanation of how equality-under-the-law works? That, as long as "marriage" remains a government-provided service (and govt-administered legal status, covering taxation, property rights, and powers of attorney), then "applying the law equally to all" means exactly fucking that, including those icky 'sodomite marriages' as well?

As Sleepy Joe Biden would say, C'mon, man.
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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2020, 01:21:48 pm »
As Sleepy Joe Biden would say, C'mon, man.

Actually, this is what Sleepy Joe DID say: (Story in the Daily Mail)

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2020, 12:14:30 pm »
... or sodomite faux-"marriage".

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2020, 06:13:28 pm »
Actually, this is what Sleepy Joe DID say: (Story in the Daily Mail)

And these are the best, most qualified two men to lead this country for the next four years? Unreal.

Ah yes, the Daily Mail: truly the most objective and accurate source on US politics. Here's what Wonkette had to say about that one.

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2020, 06:15:36 pm »
Does someone also need to offer a basic civics explanation of how equality-under-the-law works? That, as long as "marriage" remains a government-provided service (and govt-administered legal status, covering taxation, property rights, and powers of attorney), then "applying the law equally to all" means exactly fucking that, including those icky 'sodomite marriages' as well?

As Sleepy Joe Biden would say, C'mon, man.

If one goes with the interpretation that Sodom's sin was inhospitality, Trump and company are the real sodomites here. (baby jails, anyone?) Abolish ICE already!

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2020, 06:42:42 pm »
Actually, this is what Sleepy Joe DID say: (Story in the Daily Mail)

And these are the best, most qualified two men to lead this country for the next four years? Unreal.

Ah yes, the Daily Fail.

A fine paper if you're looking for a level of credibility somewhere in between the National Enquirer and Weekly World News.

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2020, 04:27:50 am »
Does someone need to sit down and have "the talk" with you and explain that, yes, straight people fuck each other up the ass too?

I am always flummoxed by how some Fundamentalists seem to miss this point. I mean, have they ever been on the internet?

I think accusations of sodomy are like accusations of idolatry, human sacrifice, devil worship and cannibalism. Not an actual description of other's behaviour, but a way of identifying/pointing out perceived enemies.

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2020, 01:44:51 pm »
Sup, American Cauldronites.

Who are you voting for, and why is it Joe Biden/a third party candidate to the left of Joe Biden?

I voted Biden though, like others, more because he is the least bad option than because I like the guy. Both parties are committed to the imperialist war machine and neoliberal economics. If I weren't in a swing state I'd have voted for Gloria La Riva.

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Re: The Most Important Election of Our Lives II: Electric Boogaloo
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2020, 01:13:56 pm »
I voted Biden though

I might've said it elsewhere, but it was the Republican hypocrisy re: the courts what did it for me. First time I've voted for a Dem for POTUS since BJ Clinton in '92. [Edit: I already did say this stuff. In this thread. Le sigh. Memory, they say, is first to go.]

On that note, seems the AP have called it for Biden. Might be a bit premature here, but I anticipate Trump's baseless suits to go nowhere. And very soon we can all breathe more easily, having collectively taken a way-overdue 300 lb shit.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2020, 01:17:26 pm by MadZealot »
Oh, is it time again to say "Fuck Trump gently in the ear with a swarm of pissed-off hornets?"?

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