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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/high-court-voids-key-part-voting-rights-act

Clarence Thomas was part of the 5-4 majority on this. In fact, he wanted to go even further and invalidate the whole damn thing; so that, y'know, massa could be certain of his bona fides. See Uncle Thomas dance his cakewalk! Applause for the jive negro!
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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2013, 07:28:20 pm »
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And losing not an instant, Texas moves immediately to institute the most restrictive voting laws in the nation and impose new election districts rammed through by its Republican majorities.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/06/texas-voter-id-law-could-start-now-attorney-general-greg-abbott.html/

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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2013, 07:35:34 pm »
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And losing not an instant, Texas moves immediately to institute the most restrictive voting laws in the nation and impose new election districts rammed through by its Republican majorities.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/06/texas-voter-id-law-could-start-now-attorney-general-greg-abbott.html/

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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2013, 07:36:47 pm »
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Clarence Thomas was part of the 5-4 majority on this. In fact, he wanted to go even further and invalidate the whole damn thing; so that, y'know, massa could be certain of his bona fides. See Uncle Thomas dance his cakewalk! Applause for the jive negro!

 
yep, now all the states have to abide by the same rules for voting laws. so now the laws for New York and Texas are the same as New Hampshire.

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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
« Reply #4 on: June 25, 2013, 08:25:17 pm »
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yep, now all the states have to abide by the same rules for voting laws. so now the laws for New York and Texas are the same as New Hampshire.


No, not in the slightest. See the link I posted above regarding the new laws in TX, made possible by this SCOTUS decision. In contrast, there is no photo ID requirement in New York. And that's just one example. The voter ID laws vary from state to state...with many states with a history of racial discrimination specifically tailoring their laws to suppress the minority vote. That's what the Voting Rights Act was all about.

And now it's been gutted.
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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2013, 08:37:09 pm »
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No, not in the slightest. See the link I posted above regarding the new laws in TX, made possible by this SCOTUS decision. In contrast, there is no photo ID requirement in New York. And that's just one example. The voter ID laws vary from state to state...with many states with a history of racial discrimination specifically tailoring their laws to suppress the minority vote. That's what the Voting Rights Act was all about.

And now it's been gutted.

 
Actually no.  Read the decision.  It only removes the requirement to get per-approval for certain parts of the country from the DoJ for any changes.

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SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2013, 09:15:36 pm »
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Actually no.  Read the decision.  It only removes the requirement to get per-approval for certain parts of the country from the DoJ for any changes.

Actually, the Court left in place the mechanism of pre-clearance, but invalidated the existing formula for determining which states must get pre-clearance for changes to voting laws (such as voter ID laws and changes to polling places).  The Court said Congress must come up with a new formula for determining which states must get pre-clearance.

Given how well Congress has been doing lately with far less important decisions, it's likely to be a while before they manage to come up with a new formula.

In the meantime, state will enact extremely problematic voting laws.  They've already started.
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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2013, 09:39:02 pm »
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In the meantime, state will enact extremely problematic voting laws.  They've already started.

 
And those changes can be challenged under the existing VRA sections just like in other parts of the country.

Considering that the DoJ has been losing cases on the pre-clearance places requests I'm not seeing any changes except saving both the states and the Feds a lot of money.

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SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2013, 09:53:19 pm »
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And those changes can be challenged under the existing VRA sections just like in other parts of the country.

Considering that the DoJ has been losing cases on the pre-clearance places requests I'm not seeing any changes except saving both the states and the Feds a lot of money.

Yes, they can be challenged -- AFTER they've gone into effect and caused (alleged) harm to voters.

And the pre-clearance process HAS prevented abuses.  One example is the Texas plan to dramatically reduce polling places in one district (can't remember which right now) and site them in ways that created significant difficulties for minority voters, which would likely have resulted in far fewer minority voters being able to vote. The pre-clearance process stopped that from happening.

Has the DoJ won every challenge?  No. But it has prevented enough serious abuses of voting rights to be well worth it.

IMO, anyway, as well as in the opinion of 4 of the 9 Justices.
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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
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The Court said Congress must come up with a new formula for determining which states must get pre-clearance.

Given how well Congress has been doing lately with far less important decisions, it's likely to be a while before they manage to come up with a new formula.

In the meantime, state will enact extremely problematic voting laws.  They've already started.


Exactly. Which is why today's SCOTUS decision effectively guts the law.

As for Sailor's claim that all the voting laws will be the same in all the states across the country, I don't know where that came from, but he seems to have dropped it.
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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
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As I've said before, Randall, Lyric--I don't envy you the state you live in.

We would move if we could. But the amount of money it would take to move us is way more than we'll likely ever have at one time.
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Clarence Thomas was part of the 5-4 majority on this. In fact, he wanted to go even further and invalidate the whole damn thing; so that, y'know, massa could be certain of his bona fides. See Uncle Thomas dance his cakewalk! Applause for the jive negro!



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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
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Proof positive that you can take the negro out of the house, but you can never take the house out of the negro.


Yup. I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
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In the meantime, state will enact extremely problematic voting laws.  They've already started.


Not so. Because as Paula Deen Antonin Scalia reportedly said, "We don't need the Voting Rights Act. That was for when there was racism. Nowadays the South is no more racist than I am."

See? Problem solved.
 
(Can anyone confirm that quote making the rounds online? It's so delicious, but for the fact that the potential impact on real people of all of this is so distasteful.)
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Re: SCOTUS: Crucial Provision of the Voting Rights Act Invalidated
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2013, 08:36:14 am »
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(Can anyone confirm that quote making the rounds online? It's so delicious, but for the fact that the potential impact on real people of all of this is so distasteful.)

I can't find anything actually reporting Scalia as having said that. However he apparently did call Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act "perpetuation of racial entitlement" during oral arguments.
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