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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #75 on: August 17, 2011, 12:19:44 pm »
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http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/11/7347464-uk-anti-tech-crackdown-not-bloody-likely

This is a link from that story, there is a comment at the bottom from a user that pointed out that there were riots before social media, and social media has really helped in the cleanup, (although I suspect there was public assistance in the cleanups before too).

apparently the rioters in clapham left the bookstore, the grocery and the charity shops alone

 
I can understand the bookstore and maybe the charity shops.  maybe the rioters were smarter and decided that destorying their food supply would be a bad idea.

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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #76 on: August 17, 2011, 08:07:25 pm »
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Oh, one thing I didn't really realize before: just this spring there were all those protests in Egypt and other countries, and they were partly exactly as powerful as they were because of social media. (Note: we call that protests, and this riots. But the governments involved of course also called that riots.)

I am not sure wether the UK really took a stand on that... but it is good to realize how social media bring power to the people, power that (like any other) can be used and abused. Taking away the freedom of social media is, whichever way you turn it, taking away a freedom, and in a democratic world that has freedom as one of the important standards that should merit some careful weighing of arguments.

 
While there were more deaths in Egypt I think, I don't recall seeing a lot of coverage of destruction of private property in Egypt. Based upon that, I don't consider the Egyptian uprising a riot.

Having said that, I expect things to get worse there.

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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #77 on: August 18, 2011, 07:53:49 am »
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Based upon that, I don't consider the Egyptian uprising a riot.


But it doesn't matter what you think is a riot or not. It is about how the involved political leaders conceive it to be (or, how they call it in public) - and how we can prevent our government from shutting down communications (or social media) in the face of protest they don't like by just calling it 'riots'. For that, IF shutting down all or specific communications is the way to go, it should only be so with decent checks and balances in place, like a decent democratic system demands.

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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #78 on: August 18, 2011, 08:35:52 am »
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But it doesn't matter what you think is a riot or not. It is about how the involved political leaders conceive it to be (or, how they call it in public) - and how we can prevent our government from shutting down communications (or social media) in the face of protest they don't like by just calling it 'riots'. For that, IF shutting down all or specific communications is the way to go, it should only be so with decent checks and balances in place, like a decent democratic system demands.

 
And since we don't have a constitution protecting our rights here in the UK (no one mention the Magna Carta, it really isn't what it's made out to be) that isn't something I would feel comfortable could be achieved.

Did you know that peaceful protest is banned within sight of Westminster, our main government building?  Thereby making it easy for our politicians to just ignore peaceful protest entirely.  People were arrested for attempting to protest- peacefully and quietly - at all during the royal wedding this year.

I for one, don't trust our government to behave responsibly when it comes to the chance to shut down communications.

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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #79 on: August 18, 2011, 08:39:11 am »
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And since we don't have a constitution protecting our rights here in the UK (no one mention the Magna Carta, it really isn't what it's made out to be) that isn't something I would feel comfortable could be achieved.


The Human Rights Act 1998 serves that function.

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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #80 on: August 18, 2011, 10:07:14 am »
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But it doesn't matter what you think is a riot or not. It is about how the involved political leaders conceive it to be (or, how they call it in public) - and how we can prevent our government from shutting down communications (or social media) in the face of protest they don't like by just calling it 'riots'. For that, IF shutting down all or specific communications is the way to go, it should only be so with decent checks and balances in place, like a decent democratic system demands.

 
In some / most ways you are correct.  

I think it does matter wether most people from the Free World, who look at the level and reason for the violence or response to such actions, consider the events in Egypt and the events in England differently.  It's the court of world opinion, or at least the opinion from the democratic countries, where it matters.

Shutting down communications because you don't like the peaceful message is bad.  Shutting down communications that is actively being used to faciliate violence is something that has to be considered, with a variety of checks and balances including effectiveness and short term side effects.

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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #81 on: August 18, 2011, 10:26:57 am »
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In some / most ways you are correct.  


Well thank you, oh grand master of Jugding Arguments.

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I think it does matter wether most people from the Free World,


I especially like the Orwellian caps. :) It nicely illustrates the feelings of moral high ground.

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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #82 on: August 18, 2011, 10:33:42 am »
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It's the court of world opinion, or at least the opinion from the democratic countries, where it matters.

 
This way of speaking is exactly why people get pissed off at 'Westerners'.

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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #83 on: August 21, 2011, 12:18:21 am »
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So what do you think? Should something like a ban be instituted?

How can rioters be banned from social media?

Individuals who participate in riots and similar criminal activities should be prevented from using social media and similar tools to communicate and organize, according to British Prime Minister David Cameron. But just how this could be done? How do you ban people from social media?

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/11/7347273-how-can-rioters-be-banned-from-social-media


People are still going to get access to social networking even if a sophisticated method was put in place to trace the IPs. Sure, you may be able to spot a group hell-bent on riots and organized destruction, and maybe even have them caught, but you can't stop them from signing up.


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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #84 on: August 21, 2011, 02:51:26 am »
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This way of speaking is exactly why people get pissed off at 'Westerners'.

 
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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #85 on: August 25, 2011, 06:27:56 am »
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Twitter study casts doubts on ministers' post-riots plan
"A preliminary study of a database of riot-related tweets, compiled by the Guardian, appears to show Twitter was mainly used to react to riots and looting.

Timing trends drawn from the data question the assumption that Twitter played a widespread role in inciting the violence in advance, an accusation also levelled at the rival social networks Facebook and BlackBerry Messenger."

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Re: How can rioters be banned from social media?
« Reply #86 on: August 25, 2011, 10:52:51 am »
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Twitter study casts doubts on ministers' post-riots plan
"A preliminary study of a database of riot-related tweets, compiled by the Guardian, appears to show Twitter was mainly used to react to riots and looting.

Timing trends drawn from the data question the assumption that Twitter played a widespread role in inciting the violence in advance, an accusation also levelled at the rival social networks Facebook and BlackBerry Messenger."


Now that is interesting.
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