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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2019, 06:38:08 pm »
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/12/fifth-circuit-trump-judges-devastating.html

I presume we have a no swear policy so please just imagine my instant reply on reading that free or cheap healthcare for all was deemed 'unconstitutional'.. It was followed by several more.

One thing that's been at the back of my mind since seeing peoples reactions in the lead up to our recent election ( actually back to Brexit and its run up ). Every time people rally or post replies to comments it doesn't seem to matter the logic or facts, there seems to be a counter attack against that now where by the gathering or comment is painted as an enemy to join together to focus against ( as an example - any anti Boris comments I've seen under news feeds have instantly been branded 'commie' or anti the will of 'the people'. I've had to word comments with great care to get people to actually stop and read my point rather than knee jerk sound the 'enemy' gong ).
How the heck does one deal with that?




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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2019, 06:53:14 pm »
It's a little complicated.

I do know that in the past year, I've had two separate sets of questions about helping students access services (i.e. teachers who were trying to find resources for evaluations to help get students more services). They both came through the federal program, but my impression from talking to people there was that this was a new thing for them too. That's a fairly small number, but it's a non-trivial increase.

(Got to go out now, so I hope this makes sense!)

Yes, thank you Jenett, all you explained makes sense.
Part of me is thinking of our disability benefits system and thinking ( for the last paragraph especially ) 'too much sense' ( here the benefits for disability can be hard to get and got revamped to 'it feels like' make it harder. And it feels like theres always resources that no one mentions are available ).

I'm guessing that some of these schools end up relying on wealthy patrons or some kind of charity connection to keep afloat?

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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2019, 07:00:18 pm »
I presume we have a no swear policy

Well that would be a fucking silly rule, wouldn't it? ;)
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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2019, 07:09:03 pm »
Yes, thank you Jenett, all you explained makes sense.
Part of me is thinking of our disability benefits system and thinking ( for the last paragraph especially ) 'too much sense' ( here the benefits for disability can be hard to get and got revamped to 'it feels like' make it harder. And it feels like theres always resources that no one mentions are available ).

They're not easy to get here either, though somewhat easier if it's a thing that is obvious/easily documented in childhood. (On the other hand, there are some awful restrictions - for example, on some kinds of disability, depending on the state, you can't have more than $2000 in assets. That doesn't just include stuff in your bank account, but includes stuff you could theoretically sell, like a modestly decent computer.)

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I'm guessing that some of these schools end up relying on wealthy patrons or some kind of charity connection to keep afloat?

In our case, the bulk of the 'how do we run this place' comes from fees paid by school districts (and sometimes other parties - other countries, occasionally families.) Some of it comes from other programs (especially stuff like 'go to the school for a year to learn some specific skills so you can be more potentially employable' which might come out of state rehab or employment funding, rather than state education), and then yes, a reasonably sized endowment that covers a lot of other stuff unless we manage to get a specific grant. We were really lucky early in the school's history with donations (and the plus side of disability being a bipartisan issue is that when you have someone who has lots of money who has a kid who your school can really help, they tend to end up being generous in the long run.)

We also have amazing volunteers, which doesn't offer help with direct student support, but helps make a bunch of programs feasible that might not have been otherwise
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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2019, 07:10:26 pm »
Well that would be a fucking silly rule, wouldn't it? ;)

I mean here's one to swear about that's rather emblematic of how things have changed here.

https://blavity.com/white-iowa-woman-admits-to-running-over-14-year-old-girl-because-she-was-mexican?category1=news
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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2019, 07:19:20 pm »
I mean here's one to swear about that's rather emblematic of how things have changed here.

https://blavity.com/white-iowa-woman-admits-to-running-over-14-year-old-girl-because-she-was-mexican?category1=news

What the fuck!!

My mind really wants to skate past the fact this is real. That someone could do that just...

This part from that source too "Polk County Attorney John Sarcone stated that charging Franklin with attempted murder and a hate crime could introduce the possibility of a jury dropping the attempted murder charge." Do what??

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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2019, 07:38:55 pm »
They're not easy to get here either, though somewhat easier if it's a thing that is obvious/easily documented in childhood. (On the other hand, there are some awful restrictions - for example, on some kinds of disability, depending on the state, you can't have more than $2000 in assets. That doesn't just include stuff in your bank account, but includes stuff you could theoretically sell, like a modestly decent computer.)

In our case, the bulk of the 'how do we run this place' comes from fees paid by school districts (and sometimes other parties - other countries, occasionally families.) Some of it comes from other programs (especially stuff like 'go to the school for a year to learn some specific skills so you can be more potentially employable' which might come out of state rehab or employment funding, rather than state education), and then yes, a reasonably sized endowment that covers a lot of other stuff unless we manage to get a specific grant. We were really lucky early in the school's history with donations (and the plus side of disability being a bipartisan issue is that when you have someone who has lots of money who has a kid who your school can really help, they tend to end up being generous in the long run.)

We also have amazing volunteers, which doesn't offer help with direct student support, but helps make a bunch of programs feasible that might not have been otherwise

Don't get me started on 'invisible' disabilities. I don't need benefits but someone close to me does and the fact that they can dress and clean themselves and want to work ( just need help ) means they get so much less support. Try asking for forms to do with sight issues, in large print. And people don't even seem to know or care what a white cane means anymore. And thats for a 'common' disability....

I'm glad you have such support and volunteers and hope it continues to stay strong enough for you to keep going

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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2019, 04:18:13 pm »
One thing that's been at the back of my mind since seeing peoples reactions in the lead up to our recent election ( actually back to Brexit and its run up ). Every time people rally or post replies to comments it doesn't seem to matter the logic or facts, there seems to be a counter attack against that now where by the gathering or comment is painted as an enemy to join together to focus against ( as an example - any anti Boris comments I've seen under news feeds have instantly been branded 'commie' or anti the will of 'the people'. I've had to word comments with great care to get people to actually stop and read my point rather than knee jerk sound the 'enemy' gong ).
How the heck does one deal with that?

I hope you don't mind me thinking out loud here..
I keep following this thought.

It will, no doubt, sound silly or unrealistic given the harsh truth you're fighting ( and yes I'm mostly well sheltered other than what I delve into ), but for me the thing that always holds me in life is hope and I can't walk away from this thread without finding some here. There must be some hope left that things can be turned around? I mean, your school Jenett, for a start.
Some pillar of hope which might shake a few people out of their fear and anger long enough to listen a little?

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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2019, 04:37:21 pm »
There must be some hope left that things can be turned around?

There's always hope.

But I don't feel particularly hopeful that diehard Trump supporters will suddenly change their minds about him, even after the recent editorial in Christianity Today calling for his removal from office. In fact, I think most will stick by him come hell or high water, because nobody wants to admit they got conned. Also, at least some evangelical Christians seem to actually believe he's a prophesied "savior"
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/11/26/apocalyptic-myth-that-helps-explain-evangelical-support-trump/).

And I don't think it's likely -- possible, but not likely -- that he'll be convicted and removed by the Senate.

However, I remain hopeful that his supporters are more vocal than numerous, and that he'll lose the next election, even in spite of all the voter suppression tactics, Russian interference, etc.

Because, if he wins the next election, I'm not sure our democracy will survive. I'm also not sure it'll survive if he loses, but that's more about the potential for civil war.

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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #39 on: December 28, 2019, 05:30:16 pm »

There's always hope.

But I don't feel particularly hopeful that diehard Trump supporters will suddenly change their minds about him, even after the recent editorial in Christianity Today calling for his removal from office. In fact, I think most will stick by him come hell or high water, because nobody wants to admit they got conned. Also, at least some evangelical Christians seem to actually belief he's a prophesied "savior"
(https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/11/26/apocalyptic-myth-that-helps-explain-evangelical-support-trump/).

And I don't think it's likely -- possible, but not likely -- that he'll be convicted and removed by the Senate.

However, I remain hopeful that his supporters are more vocal than numerous, and that he'll lose the next election, even in spite of all the voter suppression tactics, Russian interference, etc.

Because, if he wins the next election, I'm not sure our democracy will survive. I'm also not sure it'll survive if he loses, but that's more about the potential for civil war.


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I can't disagree with you there. Honestly, that 'savior' idea seems the biggest bullshit I've ever read - kings have been excommunicated for less. Anyone so blind they hold that up in faith over his head is not going to change their minds even if he suddenly told them the truth to their face.
I can't see him being convicted either.

In truth I see a great black cloud of fear, hate and anger rolling over. I can feel it sometimes when I read news comments or listen to the news.. When your last election was running ( and just after ) I tried to get people ( I was 'friends' with on facebook ) on either side of the vote to talk to each other on fb. Pretty much became a slanging match straight away and no real communication at all :( .. Frankly, here, I listen to the news and see the 'logical' run from what's being said to some rather dark options.

It's just.., we can't live or win without hope. Without fanning some flame ( if that makes sense ). And I can't.., look at so much fear/dark, without asking how to fan the hope that's left.. Sorry, this has gone a bit awry from where I started it 

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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #40 on: December 28, 2019, 06:03:46 pm »
Sorry, this has gone a bit awry from where I started it

Meaning the comment

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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2019, 05:11:28 pm »
It threatens to be the deathknell of our democracy.

I think this is the thing which has made me the most fearful following our recent election result here in England.

And, Anon, I really hate to jeopardise your search for hope, but really don't get me started on welfare benefit cuts here in England... (okay, I nearly got started then, but I restrained myself, with difficulty!)  Suffice it to say, it doesn't only feel as though they made claiming harder, they absolutely did.  Anyways, that's enough from me on the UK (again).

I tried to find a more positive note to end this comment on but I've failed.  So I'm going to go speak some incredibly juvenile profanities into a cushion!

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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #42 on: December 29, 2019, 06:19:32 pm »
I think this is the thing which has made me the most fearful following our recent election result here in England.

And, Anon, I really hate to jeopardise your search for hope, but really don't get me started on welfare benefit cuts here in England... (okay, I nearly got started then, but I restrained myself, with difficulty!)  Suffice it to say, it doesn't only feel as though they made claiming harder, they absolutely did.  Anyways, that's enough from me on the UK (again).

I tried to find a more positive note to end this comment on but I've failed.  So I'm going to go speak some incredibly juvenile profanities into a cushion!

Not at all, Perdita.
I'm not blind to how bad its getting, nor do I want to be ( I wouldn't have asked about the situation otherwise ). And I certainly am not thinking of hope as a way to lessen the coming dark.
For me it's a way to do something. Standing up and marching is one way, and it can pull people together and make an issue visible. Letter campaigns can bombard CEOs and MPs behind their high walls and force them to see the hidden masses against them. Hope can make ordinary people stop long enough to listen, can get them to look around anew ( and yes it wont work on everyone but.. I'm going to put this another way..

The Nazi party came to power because of many things; Hitler could somehow sway the masses with lies; There was a mass movement across the world blaming the jews for everything; Some people saw him as their way to power; AND the mass of the German people were afraid and angry because money and hope were low.
Once he came to power Hitler had a close group of power hungry and a small army of blindly loyal ( Hitler youth and SS spring to mind ) BUT the vast majority followed him for fear ( fear that they could be targeted as jew lovers, fear their family was in danger and fear that they could just disappear.. I know of this because my grandparents lived through that fear ).
Did you know that virtually Hitler's whole spy network in the UK for most of the war was double agents working for us or figments of the imagination of said agents.
What would have happened if the mass of people had not been afraid? If streets had not shut their doors when people were taken away?

That's why I look for hope. Because if I can talk to one person and say there's a better way, or show someone that the sun is over there, then that's one more person thinking. That's one more person personally invested in a better way rather than scared and hiding.
 
When I talk to people around me blaming Europe I can say to them, It's not going to make a difference to our problems if we leave or stop immigrants because we still have the same troubles, so eventually we have to come together to start fixing them. Strangely they do listen to that, it doesn't make them totally stop but they start to talk, ask, think. Maybe because, one on one, they can see it's not an attack on them or their choice but a different way to aim for what they want.

The Remain team never really did that. They attacked Brexit and exposed lies, scared us with what we could lose but I don't remember them laying out the UKs problems and talking about ways to fix them. And in our last election there was so much rush and blind anger that there wasn't a chance to try. 

I would love to scream at times too. And my eyes feel like burning at times with sadness

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Re: Impeached!
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2020, 07:56:16 pm »
The frightening thing: *Every* Republican in lockstep with that lying traitor. And you know 33% of the U.S. is buying it hook, line, and sinker.

Given what I've read here and the recent actions edging dangerously close to war, please be safe my friends.

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