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Re: ObamaCare and you? good, bad, neutral, unknown
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2013, 09:10:32 pm »
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Hmm. Pretty sure I saw an article last month while in port that the pre-existing coverage program was being shut down. I think it was for lack of use, but don't hold me to that.


If true, we're going to see a whole lot of people-- asthmatics, depressives, and more-- getting stuck between a rock and a mandate.  
Unintended consequence?
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Re: ObamaCare and you? good, bad, neutral, unknown
« Reply #46 on: March 16, 2013, 10:32:23 pm »
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If true, we're going to see a whole lot of people-- asthmatics, depressives, and more-- getting stuck between a rock and a mandate.  
Unintended consequence?


I went looking for it, the only place I can find a mention are rush limbaugh lookalikes, and even his stuff is right now ther aren't availble, who knows about next year.   but even so, i think the preexisting condition stuff wasn't guaranteed until next year, this last year, it was for kids under 19.
 
So I think it;s a case of wait and see.
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Re: ObamaCare and you? good, bad, neutral, unknown
« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2013, 12:08:37 am »
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I went looking for it, the only place I can find a mention are rush limbaugh lookalikes, and even his stuff is right now ther aren't availble, who knows about next year.   but even so, i think the preexisting condition stuff wasn't guaranteed until next year, this last year, it was for kids under 19.
 
So I think it;s a case of wait and see.

 
Given how large the law was, and convoluted to get the cost scoring right, it wouldn't have suprised me if the pre-existing conditions coverage was time limited. Make it available for purchase, set up the Federal bureacracy to admin it the year of the election. Then close the program to new people after the election.  Then in 2014 it becomes the insurance companies problem.

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Re: ObamaCare and you? good, bad, neutral, unknown
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2013, 12:15:30 am »
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Given how large the law was, and convoluted to get the cost scoring right, it wouldn't have suprised me if the pre-existing conditions coverage was time limited. Make it available for purchase, set up the Federal bureacracy to admin it the year of the election. Then close the program to new people after the election.  Then in 2014 it becomes the insurance companies problem.

 
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/features/choices/pre-existing-condition-insurance-plan/index.html

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Beginning February 16, 2013, the federally-run Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP) is suspending acceptance of new enrollment applications until further notice. State-based PCIPs may continue accepting enrollment applications through March 2, and will then suspend acceptance of new enrollment applications until further notice.  PCIP will continue providing coverage to more than 100,000 people currently enrolled nationwide.  We encourage you to visit http://finder.healthcare.gov to explore your other health care options.


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The Health Insurance Marketplace
Starting next year, the Affordable Care Act guarantees that all Americans – regardless of their health status or pre-existing conditions – will finally have access to quality, affordable coverage.  People will be able to apply for affordable health insurance coverage choices in Health Insurance Marketplaces when open enrollment begins on October 1. The Health Insurance Marketplace will offer a choice of quality, affordable health plans. Coverage begins on January 1, 2014. Visit http://www.healthcare.gov/marketplace to learn more about the Marketplace.

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Re: ObamaCare and you? good, bad, neutral, unknown
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2013, 09:55:45 am »
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http://www.healthcare.gov/law/features/choices/pre-existing-condition-insurance-plan/index.html

From the page:


Further down the page:

Thank you, my google fu failed me.
 

which is good for the people who got in, because they didn't have it before, and sucks if they didn't get in time, because the time limit, while probably written in at the beginning, wasn't publicised very well if at all, and now they have to wait until 2014, so they are no worse off, but no better off yet.  Whether they are better off then, we wait and see.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2013, 09:57:01 am by mandrina »
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« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2013, 12:08:39 pm »
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Thank you, my google fu failed me.
 

which is good for the people who got in, because they didn't have it before, and sucks if they didn't get in time, because the time limit, while probably written in at the beginning, wasn't publicised very well if at all, and now they have to wait until 2014, so they are no worse off, but no better off yet.  Whether they are better off then, we wait and see.

 
No worries it took a minute to find amidst the hysterical 'Obamacare is the evils!' pages lol.

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Re: ObamaCare and you? good, bad, neutral, unknown
« Reply #51 on: March 19, 2013, 08:49:47 am »
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Thank you, my google fu failed me.
 

which is good for the people who got in, because they didn't have it before, and sucks if they didn't get in time, because the time limit, while probably written in at the beginning, wasn't publicised very well if at all, and now they have to wait until 2014, so they are no worse off, but no better off yet.  Whether they are better off then, we wait and see.

 
Ditto here, although it wasn't so much google-fu as low bandwidth to go searching.

Although I wonder if the closing of the program was only covered by conservative sites (Rush Limbaugh lookalikes) was bias or incompetence?

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« Reply #52 on: March 26, 2013, 10:28:32 am »
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If ObamaCare is upheld as written, will that be good for you?  bad for you? you don't know?

At present the only plus I think for me, is it would keep my daughter on my insurance until she is 25.

For others, it might not be so good. An example is North Carolina state employees who will be mandated to buy family coverage, but will not be eligible for any of the subsidies from the Exchanges.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/192035-states-worried-theyll-bear-the-brunt-of-anger-over-health-laws-shortcomings

I'm a poor 22 year old with lots of medical problems and no coverage. I have to have 5 different blood tests every  year, that's not cheap and I've went without since I used to be on medicaid when I was little. I take only the most important one and my health has suffered. It would be the biggest benefit for me if I could have coverage.

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« Reply #53 on: July 04, 2013, 12:35:11 pm »
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If ObamaCare is upheld as written, will that be good for you?  bad for you? you don't know?


 
Employer mandate to be delayed for one year per White House announcement.

Analysis by Volkh (I haven't read the entire article, but looks like the WH is dissembling as to the overall reasons).

http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/03/the-implication-of-delaying-the-employer-mandate/

It also looks like the entire rest of hte law (subsidies, exchanges, option for everybody to buy a policy) will also be delayed.  

I'm not sure if this is legal - the President has lots of executive power, but I'd have to read the actual language of the law.

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Re: ObamaCare and you? good, bad, neutral, unknown
« Reply #54 on: July 04, 2013, 05:43:42 pm »
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Employer mandate to be delayed for one year per White House announcement.

Analysis by Volkh (I haven't read the entire article, but looks like the WH is dissembling as to the overall reasons).
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It also looks like the entire rest of hte law (subsidies, exchanges, option for everybody to buy a policy) will also be delayed.
 
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I'm not sure if this is legal - the President has lots of executive power, but I'd have to read the actual language of the law.

Would a Republican president be able to waive the law?  If not, can Obama?  I look forward to the legal challenges, if any.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2013, 05:44:31 pm by MadZealot »
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« Reply #55 on: July 05, 2013, 09:55:40 am »
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Would a Republican president be able to waive the law?  If not, can Obama?  I look forward to the legal challenges, if any.

 
Not without riots and protests.  Major question will be whether anybody has standing to sue to enforce it.

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Re: ObamaCare and you? good, bad, neutral, unknown
« Reply #56 on: July 05, 2013, 11:13:15 am »
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Employer mandate to be delayed for one year per White House announcement.

Analysis by Volkh (I haven't read the entire article, but looks like the WH is dissembling as to the overall reasons).

http://www.volokh.com/2013/07/03/the-implication-of-delaying-the-employer-mandate/

It also looks like the entire rest of hte law (subsidies, exchanges, option for everybody to buy a policy) will also be delayed.  

I'm not sure if this is legal - the President has lots of executive power, but I'd have to read the actual language of the law.

 
From what I read, I would guess it's because the Republicans in congress refused to fund anything relating to it so nothing could get done.

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« Reply #57 on: July 05, 2013, 11:25:54 am »
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From what I read, I would guess it's because the Republicans in congress refused to fund anything relating to it so nothing could get done.

 
Not from what I've seen.  Care to post a cite where lack of funding is the significant cause of not being able to implement the employer mandate?

GOP reluctance to approve additional money for many parts of ObamaCare is an issue, but not for all the problems.  If it was mostly lack of funding, you'd think Obama would be making speeches to his base and or the American people about how the evil GOP is withholding funding for this program.  Of course that would show that ObamaCare is a financial train wreck before any real benefits get paid out.

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/309261-10-obamacare-fumbles

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« Reply #58 on: July 05, 2013, 04:29:42 pm »
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Not from what I've seen.

 
It has to do with the how the companies report on the coverage.  New processes have to be set up to do that.  However, without resources to set up those new processes, they cannot be set up.

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« Reply #59 on: July 05, 2013, 06:31:27 pm »
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Not from what I've seen.  Care to post a cite where lack of funding is the significant cause of not being able to implement the employer mandate?

You'll be waiting awhile.  
There are a couple of articles discussing a Repub plan to do so, but no plan got any headway.  Otherwise, you're right, the finger-pointer in chief would be excoriating the GOP, and his favored media outlets would be running it 24/7.

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Of course that would show that ObamaCare is a financial train wreck before any real benefits get paid out.

They really should have found out what was in it before they passed it.  

Most interesting is the whining of poor Rep John Larson, a Democrat from Connecticut, who recently whined it's "simply not fair" to subject members of Congress to Obamacare.  
Makes you wonder why he (and all the other Dems) thought it was good enough for to impose on us peasants.  

And Congress has apparently been working to reverse that, fearing a "brain drain" on the Hill as younger staffers are driven away by higher premiums.  (Remember when our dear leader promised that premiums would not go up?  Yeah me too.)
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