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Re: Marriage Equality Is Now the Law in Washington State (sort of...)
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2012, 11:26:15 pm »
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Hey, you never know, Christie might sign the bill into law.  
It could happen.  
Might.

All kidding aside, it's good to see that States are going the right way on this issue, knocking down the barrier that should not exist.


http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/chris-christie-vetoes-gay-marriage-bill-new-jersey-governor-critics-politics-15732356

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Re: Marriage Equality Is Now the Law in Washington State (sort of...)
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2012, 12:05:29 am »
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Re: Marriage Equality Is Now the Law in Washington State (sort of...)
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2012, 01:55:25 am »
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No, le sigh.

It was expected.

Altair, were there enough votes in the Legislature to override the veto?  And was there anything else attached to the bill beyond legalizing same-sex marriage? Remember DADT was only passed once Leiberman got a clean bill proposed, one that didin't include the DREAM Act along with DADT.

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Re: Marriage Equality Is Now the Law in Washington State (sort of...)
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2012, 01:59:44 am »
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No, le sigh.

It was expected.

Altair, were there enough votes in the Legislature to override the veto?  And was there anything else attached to the bill beyond legalizing same-sex marriage? Remember DADT was only passed once Leiberman got a clean bill proposed, one that didin't include the DREAM Act along with DADT.

 
Even more sigh.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-02-18/christie-vetoes-gay-marriage-bill-sets-up-n-j-override-battle.html

it was a conditional veto, whatever that means. apparently he objected to Parts of the bill, not the overall concept.

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In rejecting the legislation in Trenton yesterday, Christie invoked a “conditional veto,” which lets him return the measure to lawmakers asking for changes. He suggested creating an ombudsman to tighten enforcement of the civil-union law that pertains to same-sex couples and renewed his referendum push.

“I am adhering to what I’ve said since this bill was first introduced -- an issue of this magnitude and importance, which requires a constitutional amendment, should be left to the people of New Jersey to decide,” Christie said in a statement.



Christie apparently wants a vote by the populace, ie a bit more direct democracy. Not sure if he's hoping for a CA Prop 8 result (which is foolish since the court ruling), or maybe he doesn't want to take the political heat for signing it. Ie, pass the buck to the referendum to keep more inline with the GOP base.

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Re: Marriage Equality Is Now the Law in Washington State (sort of...)
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2012, 02:23:14 am »
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No, le sigh.

It was expected.

 
So? Doesn't mean I'm okay with it or it was a decision I find acceptable or humane.

I reiterate, le sigh.

I'm fed up with passing the buck and cowardice.

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Re: Marriage Equality Is Now the Law in Washington State (sort of...)
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2012, 02:41:11 am »
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So? Doesn't mean I'm okay with it or it was a decision I find acceptable or humane.

I reiterate, le sigh.

I'm fed up with passing the buck and cowardice.

 
I was responding to MadZealot's remark. Your remark is the correct one instead of his.

What I found odd in the article I linked to was a same-sex marriage advocate thought Christie had no anti-gay bones in him. (paraphrased for a bit of clarity).

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Re: Marriage Equality Is Now the Law in Washington State (sort of...)
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2012, 08:28:58 am »
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No, le sigh.
Altair, were there enough votes in the Legislature to override the veto?  And was there anything else attached to the bill beyond legalizing same-sex marriage?


As far as I know, the bill was clean. At present there aren't enough votes in to override the veto, but the good news is that, for some reason, in NJ the legislature has nearly 2 years to put together the votes to override that veto. With the rapidity with which opinions on this issue are evolving, that may be doable. Eventually.
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Re: Marriage Equality Is Now the Law in Washington State (sort of...)
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2012, 08:35:03 am »
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What I found odd in the article I linked to was a same-sex marriage advocate thought Christie had no anti-gay bones in him. (paraphrased for a bit of clarity).


That may be so. But he no doubt has national political aspirations, and as a Republican that means one must kowtow to the extreme right on issues like same-sex marriage.

This is one of the reasons why, even if politicians are considered "moderate" or "pro-gay" Republicans, I will almost never support them. The party itself has become so extreme that on numerous issues it forces anyone who wants a future within its structure to veer right.
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