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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #75 on: March 24, 2016, 08:07:37 pm »
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It could (especially in the short term), but it would more likely have the opposite effect in the longer term as it would be much harder to get a one-party majority which would mean folks would have to compromise to get anything passed. The lack of compromise is what hamstrings Congress today -- too many ideologues on both sides of the aisle who will not settle for less than 100% of what they want and consider compromise where everyone gets some but not all of what they want to be very bad.

I despise ideologues: compromise is of the essence of life. That which cannot compromise becomes extinct - & deservedly so.
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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #76 on: March 24, 2016, 09:22:40 pm »
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I think in the UK, it's the party & not the House that elects the PM. The party elects its leader. Then, should the party pull a majority of seats in an election, the Sovereign asks the party's leader to form a government. Once the prospective PM has submitted a list of candidates to the Sovereign, the Sovereign then officially appoints those on the list to office, including the PM.

 
There were a couple of written short cuts, based upon the make up the House and Senate at the time. The Senate was split 50-50 so their votes essentially cancel each other out. It was in the House were there was a majority party. It's that majority party (combined House and Senate) that would elect a President from it's own party.

In cases where it takes two parties to make a majority that the smaller of the parties get certain offices as the deal.

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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #77 on: March 25, 2016, 04:51:19 am »
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In all my life, I have yet to see such a sorry lot of candidates - every election cycle, the crop gets weedier and weedier!
Do you really like either one of these?
As a native New Yorker, I've got my opinions on Trump.
After having heard what the ex-Secret Service people are saying about Hillary - Trump doesn't look so bad. "Mommy, Dearest" was a sweetheart compared to First Lady Clinton, it seems. Punishment detail was being assigned to the First Witch.
Trickie Dickie doesn't look so bad in retrospect, does he?
eenie-meenie-mynie-moe, catch a creep by the toe ...

If the Republicans wind up w/a "brokered" convention and do not choose Trump as their candidate, it might well mean the end of the party: there will be a mass exodus of the disenchanted, who will either join the Democrats or seek to join a new party. Either way, the Republicans will have "elected" Hillary Clinton the first female President of the United States long before November - and they will do the same if they allow Trump to be their candidate in name only but do not fully support him.

Either way, I'm beginning to think that Hillary Clinton is somewhat more likely than Trump to be the next president.

Former President Clinton - who will still have to be called "Mr President" out of respect - will serve as the nation's first First Gentleman!
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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #78 on: March 25, 2016, 07:51:57 am »
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If the Republicans wind up w/a "brokered" convention and do not choose Trump as their candidate, it might well mean the end of the party: there will be a mass exodus of the disenchanted, who will either join the Democrats or seek to join a new party. Either way, the Republicans will have "elected" Hillary Clinton the first female President of the United States long before November - and they will do the same if they allow Trump to be their candidate in name only but do not fully support him.

Either way, I'm beginning to think that Hillary Clinton is somewhat more likely than Trump to be the next president.

Former President Clinton - who will still have to be called "Mr President" out of respect - will serve as the nation's first First Gentleman!

 
Why would the GOP implode over the party not nominating a Democrat to run on their ticket?  

There is also the question of whether Hillary will be under indictment before either the Democrat convention or the general election. If she's not, aka the fix is in, expect her to have a Presidency that accomplishes nothing.  

There is also the issue of how much folks will believe of her stands.  She's running that Obama's 8 years were terrible.  She can't run on her husbands legacy of tough on crime / more minorities in jail and less welfare.

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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #79 on: March 25, 2016, 08:16:58 am »
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To expand on what Randall said. We'd need to have a full parliamentary system.

Looking at the UK for a basis (...)


Have you given the constitutions of Finland and Ireland a thought, for comparative purposes?

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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #80 on: March 25, 2016, 08:26:20 am »
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Have you given the constitutions of Finland and Ireland a thought, for comparative purposes?

 
No.  I'm not familiar with either one. PoliSci class covered the the 6 Great Powers - UK, Germany, France, Japan, China and Russia (all circa mid 1980s).

Significant differences?

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« Reply #81 on: March 25, 2016, 09:02:15 am »
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However, I hate the term "neurotypical!"  I'm not a "typical" anything!  I have many of my own quirks, thank-you-very-much, including a love of mathematics.


Is middle-of-the-bell-curve better?

Asperger's, ADHD and neurotypicality are very much social constructs. In groups of persons you will find different types of personalities,whatever labels you give them, and in other forms of societies neither Asperger's or ADHD would have ended up in diagnostic manuals, because societal expectations would be more accepting. The grey area between neurotypicality and any of the diagnoses is considerable.

It is only a society, which expects persons with ADHD to sit still and read attentively in a class room, or expects Aspies to blandly chat about vacations, weather, cats or cowberries, perfectly normal personality variations become pathologized and labelled 'atypical'. If persons are given a chance to find areas of occupation in accordance with their personalities, respectively, there wouldn't be a problem. Asperger's is a very useful personality variation at universities, in research, among computer programmers, and so on. ADHD is a very useful personality variation among musicians, artists, athletes, lumberjacks, foresters, farmers, and so on. Middle-of-the-bell-curve is a very useful personality variation among social care workers and in healthcare, and fits in best at offices.

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I hear you, though, on the memory-thing.  My son remembers everything, all the way back to when he was about two-years-old (he's twenty now).  I'm not sure if he has an eidetic memory, but it comes awfully close.


Until recently, I thought everyone stored their memories in drawers placed systematically in a colour-coded mental landscape of visualised valleys and ridges, but when I got my diagnosis, I realised that not everyone's memory work in the same way. Before that, it was very irritating when persons in my environment were not able to  recollect the history lessons they had when they were 16 or 17.

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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #82 on: March 25, 2016, 09:22:17 am »
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No.  I'm not familiar with either one. PoliSci class covered the the 6 Great Powers - UK, Germany, France, Japan, China and Russia (all circa mid 1980s).

Significant differences?

In comparison to UK an important difference is that Finland and Ireland are republics, not monarchies.

If I have understood the Irish situation correctly, their constituencies elect one member of parliament according to the principle 'the winner takes it all', while Finnish constituencies elect members of parliament according to the proportional percentage of the vote each party is given.

The Irish parliament is bi-cameral, while the Finnish parliament consists of one House of Parliament.

The Finnish president, while mainly ceremonial, have a small amount of executive power, while the Irish one is purely ceremonial.

In both cases, most or all executive power rests in the cabinet/goverment, headed by a prime minister (taoiseach in Ireland).

In Ireland, the Supreme Court has the right to declare laws enacted by parliament and activities performed by the cabinet as unconstitutional.

In Finland, there is no such mechanism after the enactment of a law, but a scrutiny of the constitutionality of a proposed law before it is voted on by parliament.
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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #83 on: March 25, 2016, 09:47:41 am »
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In comparison to UK an important difference is that Finland and Ireland are republics, not monarchies.

If I have understood the Irish situation correctly, their constituencies elect one member of parliament according to the principle 'the winner takes it all', while Finnish constituencies elect members of parliament according to the proportional percentage of the vote each party is given.

The Irish parliament is bi-cameral, while the Finnish parliament consists of one House of Parliament.

The Finnish president, while mainly ceremonial, have a small amount of executive power, while the Irish one is purely ceremonial.

In both cases, most or all executive power rests in the cabinet/goverment, headed by a prime minister (taoiseach in Ireland).

In Ireland, the Supreme Court has the right to declare laws enacted by parliament and activities performed by the cabinet as unconstitutional.

In Finland, there is no such mechanism after the enactment of a law, but a scrutiny of the constitutionality of a proposed law before it is voted on by parliament.

 
Ireland might be something to look at then. Bi-carmel like the US and no hereditary leader.  Something I don't have time for though would be a comparison between countries, in part because saying modeling something on organization A results in total rejection, but saying look at B which has the exact same set up results in that has to be the best thing since sliced bread.

No looking at laws after being passed could have some odd outcomes I'd think.  Although what some courts rule can be odd.  For example one state court effectively ruled that computers and photocopiers are not covered by the 1st amendment. (the Feds whacked them pretty hard on that ruling).

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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #84 on: March 25, 2016, 10:11:56 am »
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No looking at laws after being passed could have some odd outcomes I'd think.  Although what some courts rule can be odd.  For example one state court effectively ruled that computers and photocopiers are not covered by the 1st amendment. (the Feds whacked them pretty hard on that ruling).

I don't think the difference between a scrutiny before or after enactment makes that much of a difference. In both cases the constitutionality of a (proposed or enacted) law is scrutinised. The juridical experts in Finland wouldn't allow an unconstitutional proposition or introduction of a bill come before the House.

Neither Ireland or Finland have a state-level and a federal level. Each of them are sovereign states, not divided in federal states. With populations of 4.6 or 5.4 millions, there is not much need for a intermediate level of organisation from a conventional point of view. What is wrong with having counties?
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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #85 on: March 25, 2016, 01:25:55 pm »
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I don't think the difference between a scrutiny before or after enactment makes that much of a difference. In both cases the constitutionality of a (proposed or enacted) law is scrutinised. The juridical experts in Finland wouldn't allow an unconstitutional proposition or introduction of a bill come before the House.

Neither Ireland or Finland have a state-level and a federal level. Each of them are sovereign states, not divided in federal states. With populations of 4.6 or 5.4 millions, there is not much need for a intermediate level of organisation from a conventional point of view. What is wrong with having counties?

 
Problem I see with no possible review after a law is passed is for when the results of the law are finally known it would be to late.

Nothing wrong with counties.  My comment was about how a court found that the 1st amendment doesn't apply to computers and such.

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« Reply #86 on: March 26, 2016, 07:16:56 am »
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Why would the GOP implode over the party not nominating a Democrat to run on their ticket?
 

Loss of disenchanted membership. The bulk of both parties' membership is wishy-washy. It only seems that most Republicans are ideologues - that's b/c it's the ideologues that do all the screaming. Most Republicans are R-leaning moderates who quite apparently like DT. If DT does not get the nomination - despite their having voted for him - they'll pick up & likely cross the aisle and become R-leaning Democrats.
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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2016, 07:49:08 am »
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Is middle-of-the-bell-curve better?

Asperger's, ADHD and neurotypicality are very much social constructs.
What we have are "social constructs" - the human animal is a social animal = no escaping it ...
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In groups of persons you will find different types of personalities,whatever labels you give them, and in other forms of societies neither Asperger's or ADHD would have ended up in diagnostic manuals, because societal expectations would be more accepting. The grey area between neurotypicality and any of the diagnoses is considerable.
T - but, then, those societies would have marginalized something else that we do not marginalize: every society marginalizes - there are no perfect societies.

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It is only a society, which expects persons with ADHD to sit still and read attentively in a class room, or expects Aspies to blandly chat about vacations, weather, cats or cowberries, perfectly normal personality variations become pathologized and labelled 'atypical'. If persons are given a chance to find areas of occupation in accordance with their personalities, respectively, there wouldn't be a problem. Asperger's is a very useful personality variation at universities, in research, among computer programmers, and so on. ADHD is a very useful personality variation among musicians, artists, athletes, lumberjacks, foresters, farmers, and so on. Middle-of-the-bell-curve is a very useful personality variation among social care workers and in healthcare, and fits in best at offices.
Asperger's carries a host of problems - not just the tendency to higher intelligence and analytical ability but the social awkwardness, the introversion, the tendency to be hyper-focused, the tendency to be insensitive to the needs & wants of others, the failure to grasp the "bigger picture" - except in those Aspies, such as myself, who are obsessed w/the "bigger picture, then the problem is reversed, failure to appreciate details - it's useless to deny that the Asperger's machine is missing a few parts ...



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Until recently, I thought everyone stored their memories in drawers placed systematically in a colour-coded mental landscape of visualised valleys and ridges, but when I got my diagnosis, I realised that not everyone's memory work in the same way. Before that, it was very irritating when persons in my environment were not able to  recollect the history lessons they had when they were 16 or 17.
I remember in terms of sets - set theory - sets, groups, categories ...
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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #88 on: March 27, 2016, 05:32:42 pm »
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Asperger's carries a host of problems - not just the tendency to higher intelligence and analytical ability but the social awkwardness, the introversion, the tendency to be hyper-focused, the tendency to be insensitive to the needs & wants of others, the failure to grasp the "bigger picture" - except in those Aspies, such as myself, who are obsessed w/the "bigger picture, then the problem is reversed, failure to appreciate details - it's useless to deny that the Asperger's machine is missing a few parts ...


I'm not missing anything. I suspect that my life would be less rich of experiences and purpose if I was 'normal' - introversion helps altered states of consciousness. Hyper-focus is very useful in some situations, and it is possible to train social interaction. Asperger's is a blessing, just as neurotypicity or ADHD may be blessings, under the condition that persons with each personality variation finds the environments where their talents, respectively, are permitted to enfold and blossom. Otherwise each personality variation may be a curse.

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Re: Looks like the Donald & Hillary come the Fall ...
« Reply #89 on: March 28, 2016, 03:17:08 am »
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Is middle-of-the-bell-curve better?


Nope.  Not for me, because I hang at the fringes. :)

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Asperger's, ADHD and neurotypicality are very much social constructs. In groups of persons you will find different types of personalities,whatever labels you give them, and in other forms of societies neither Asperger's or ADHD would have ended up in diagnostic manuals, because societal expectations would be more accepting. The grey area between neurotypicality and any of the diagnoses is considerable.

It is only a society, which expects persons with ADHD to sit still and read attentively in a class room, or expects Aspies to blandly chat about vacations, weather, cats or cowberries, perfectly normal personality variations become pathologized and labelled 'atypical'. If persons are given a chance to find areas of occupation in accordance with their personalities, respectively, there wouldn't be a problem. Asperger's is a very useful personality variation at universities, in research, among computer programmers, and so on. ADHD is a very useful personality variation among musicians, artists, athletes, lumberjacks, foresters, farmers, and so on. Middle-of-the-bell-curve is a very useful personality variation among social care workers and in healthcare, and fits in best at offices.


This is why I homeschooled my son from K-12.  I researched what Asperger's was from the day when he was 1 1/2 years and the pediatrician called him one of her flappers.  She never said "Asperger's," which still irritates me, but I found out on my own and it explained a lot.

I homeschooled him so that we could work with his strengths as well as his challenges.  I knew I had about 45 minutes worth of good teaching time, then he needed to go off on his own for an hour.  Then we'd come back.  We learned things that followed his interests at the time.  It was marvelous and I learned so much myself.  My strengths are math and science.  He's strong in those, but his passion is WWII.  I hated history because of the teachers I had, but as we learned about it together, it's become a passion of mine as well.

I've never tried to suppress his Aspie tendencies--again, I love how Aspies think!--but I've tried to help him work within a neurotypical ( :) ) society.  I've tried to show him that it's his strength and he has the ability to think outside the box.

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Until recently, I thought everyone stored their memories in drawers placed systematically in a colour-coded mental landscape of visualised valleys and ridges, but when I got my diagnosis, I realised that not everyone's memory work in the same way. Before that, it was very irritating when persons in my environment were not able to  recollect the history lessons they had when they were 16 or 17.


Yes, Aspie's memories are amazing.  If I need to remember something, I yell down the hallway to my son with my question.

And you see your memories as a landscape?  Have you heard of Daniel Tammet?  He sees numbers, as well as Pi, as shapes and colors and textures.  This is so Pythagorean to me--to actually see and feel Number.  And I think Aspies see this as a given and look at the rest of us like, "Really?  It's right there.  Just look at it."  Y'all see some things as due course where I have to spend years trying to train my own mind to see what y'all take for granted.

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