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Author Topic: Election Night in the U.S.: Which Races Are You Watching?  (Read 4391 times)

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« Reply #60 on: November 07, 2012, 02:56:59 pm »
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OK, I had to really dig to find some bad news in this election, but here it is: Michele Bachmann, who looked to be on the verge of losing her seat in the House of Representatives last night, pulled out the win.


Another bit of bad news, for some:  CA still has the death penalty.  I wasn't really expecting it to be overturned, we've been trying to get rid of it my entire adult life, but it would have been nice.


But still an amazing night!

Any word on the popular vote count, btw?  Last I saw, Mittens still had a slight lead in that.  I still hate the electoral college, even though the discrepency swung "my" way for once.
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« Reply #61 on: November 07, 2012, 03:00:08 pm »
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Any word on the popular vote count, btw?  Last I saw, Mittens still had a slight lead in that.  I still hate the electoral college, even though the discrepency swung "my" way for once.


Obama won the popular vote in the end. The discrepancy had a lot to do with them not having finished counting California at the time. They'd counted enough to project that he'd won the state, but hadn't tallied all the state's zillions of votes yet.

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« Reply #62 on: November 07, 2012, 03:01:35 pm »
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Obama won the popular vote in the end. The discrepancy had a lot to do with them not having finished counting California at the time. They'd counted enough to project that he'd won the state, but hadn't tallied all the state's zillions of votes yet.


Ah, thanks.  I'd hoped it would be something like that - the west coast is pretty solidly "blue."
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« Reply #63 on: November 07, 2012, 03:48:02 pm »
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Any word on the popular vote count, btw?  Last I saw, Mittens still had a slight lead in that.  I still hate the electoral college, even though the discrepency swung "my" way for once.

 
There was a split in 2000, 1888 and 1876. Not sure how that counts as a swing "for once".

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« Reply #64 on: November 07, 2012, 04:00:01 pm »
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There was a split in 2000, 1888 and 1876. Not sure how that counts as a swing "for once".


Yes, "for once" was a poorly chosen phrase.  I didn't have a horse in the race in the 1800's.  2000 it went the other way.  I would hope that if both parties had been recently hurt by the electoral system, there might be an impetus to change it.  

I understand that going by straight popular vote require a complete change in the way campaigns were run, but it would be more democratic.  And in today's world, that would be far more possible than it was in the 18th century.
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« Reply #65 on: November 07, 2012, 04:23:54 pm »
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Yes, "for once" was a poorly chosen phrase.  I didn't have a horse in the race in the 1800's.  2000 it went the other way.  I would hope that if both parties had been recently hurt by the electoral system, there might be an impetus to change it.  

I understand that going by straight popular vote require a complete change in the way campaigns were run, but it would be more democratic.  And in today's world, that would be far more possible than it was in the 18th century.

 
NPV would also increase the value of fighting for every vote every where.  

All those registrars who repeatedly fail to get absentee ballots out on time? Major lawsuits.

All those absentee ballots that don't get counted because they can't change the outcome for that state?  Up for challenge and for counting.

We'd be having recounts and legal challenges up until the inauguration each time.

On the plus side, expect a lot more turn out nationwide. Also much more expensive campaigns since the ground game has to be every where.

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« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2012, 06:16:27 pm »
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« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2012, 06:28:24 pm »
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NPV would also increase the value of fighting for every vote every where.

 
I'm not sure about that.  The current system requires the candidates to give some attention to smaller/less popular states.  If you go to direct representation, you have them only going to (and developing policies favoring) the densest populated areas.  It just changes where they concentrate rather than making them not concentrate at all.  There will always be areas where they can get more bang for their buck.

You also have the issue with the recounts taking forever, throwing the country into chaos for awhile.  I could well imagine, with how rabidly partisan this country has become, riots in the streets if it isn't settled quickly.  

Granted, with the current system, you have Republican talking heads suggesting violence as a way of dealing with the election result ;) (Then again, Trump has been seen as a bit of a fringe nut even before he became the leader of the birther movement.)

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« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2012, 06:59:21 pm »
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I'm not sure about that.  The current system requires the candidates to give some attention to smaller/less popular states.  If you go to direct representation, you have them only going to (and developing policies favoring) the densest populated areas.  It just changes where they concentrate rather than making them not concentrate at all.  There will always be areas where they can get more bang for their buck.

You also have the issue with the recounts taking forever, throwing the country into chaos for awhile.  I could well imagine, with how rabidly partisan this country has become, riots in the streets if it isn't settled quickly.  

Granted, with the current system, you have Republican talking heads suggesting violence as a way of dealing with the election result ;) (Then again, Trump has been seen as a bit of a fringe nut even before he became the leader of the birther movement.)

 
I was thinking more of fighting to have every vote count everywhere rather than trying to get everybody everywhere to vote for them.  Right now 110,000 vote difference in Virginia doesn't matter since they won't find that many in VA.  Yet they might find enough nation-wide to matter nation-wide.

Of course that might just result in cleaning up the current mess we have as far as voter registration and voting has.

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« Reply #69 on: November 07, 2012, 08:01:06 pm »
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Another bit of bad news, for some:  CA still has the death penalty.  I wasn't really expecting it to be overturned, we've been trying to get rid of it my entire adult life, but it would have been nice.


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As a lifelong death penalty opponent, I share your pain.


I used to be in favor of the death penalty, a real "kill the bastards" mentality.  Now I object for a variety of reasons.  
 
Aside from reversing the inherent wrongness of the practice, abolishing the death penalty would mean we in CA wouldn't have to spend $3 billion a year on 727 'death-row' inmates.  That's good when the State is strapped for cash.  This should have been a slam dunk, from both ethical and fiscal POVs.  Californians are an unpredictable lot.
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« Reply #71 on: November 07, 2012, 10:26:05 pm »
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From this liberal/progressive's point of view, a great night.

 
I really wasn't expecting there to be this much progressive-leaning stuff, and am kind of blown away.

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(Then again, Trump has been seen as a bit of a fringe nut even before he became the leader of the birther movement.)

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Can we permanently muzzle that loud-mouth, please? He gives my Republican friends a bad name.

Freedom of speech applies to everyone in the US -- no matter how intelligent or idiotic their speech. Republicans who are tired of being associated with the loons on the extreme right need to stand up and publicly oppose such BS. That's what sane Democrats have always done with the loonies on the extreme left. Of course, Democratic loons have never had much of a media machine shouting their positions to all as Fox News and Rush Limbaugh do for the Republican loons.
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Re: Election Night in the U.S.: Which Races Are You Watching?
« Reply #74 on: November 08, 2012, 04:18:09 pm »
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I was only actively watching two races.  To see if Johnson would get the 5% nationally needed for automatic matching funds for the party next time (didn't even break 1%) and to see if the Libertarian NH Governor nominee would get 4% to enable automatic ballot access next time (also a no at just under 3%.)

Afterwards I was aware of the 4 marriage equality results (I'm glad ME isn't marring the name of NewEngland any more), as well CA Prop 35.  I also noted the population boom looming for Colorado.
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