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Author Topic: Guns and religion in America  (Read 257 times)

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Guns and religion in America
« on: December 08, 2018, 03:33:46 am »
I found this article, and reading it really made me think. It's a few months old at this point, but still highly relevant:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/07/us/muslim-gun-owners-america.html

I'm a gun owner and advocate myself, (though I trend left on most other issues), and I've never considered that some people have a harder time owning guns than others.

Being the naive, blissfully ignorant person I am, I simply took gun rights groups at their word when they said they supported the Second Amendment. Never once did I ask "Do these guys support guns for Muslims? Gays? Blacks? Women? Or just for themselves." Instead I assumed, because they talk about freedom and liberty, and use that rhetoric, that they actually put those ideas into practice.

If the linked article is anything to go by, many of them don't. Apparently, conservative, gun owning, Second Amendment supporting, molon labe shouting Muslims aren't very welcome among conservative, gun owning, molon labe shouting Americans.

Frankly, I'm never going to look at a shooting range the same way again. I mean, I guess I'm just lucky I've never openly expressed my religion at the range! I wonder what would happen if I showed up with a bindi and turban? Yikes. Very off-putting read.

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Re: Guns and religion in America
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2018, 03:38:18 am »


I somehow seem to have messed up when I made this thread, and posted it... somewhere? I'm in the wrong place, my mistake! It was meant to go in political discussions.
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Re: Guns and religion in America
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2018, 09:38:01 am »
I found this article, and reading it really made me think. It's a few months old at this point, but still highly relevant:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/07/us/muslim-gun-owners-america.html

I'm a gun owner and advocate myself, (though I trend left on most other issues), and I've never considered that some people have a harder time owning guns than others.

Being the naive, blissfully ignorant person I am, I simply took gun rights groups at their word when they said they supported the Second Amendment. Never once did I ask "Do these guys support guns for Muslims? Gays? Blacks? Women? Or just for themselves." Instead I assumed, because they talk about freedom and liberty, and use that rhetoric, that they actually put those ideas into practice.

If the linked article is anything to go by, many of them don't. Apparently, conservative, gun owning, Second Amendment supporting, molon labe shouting Muslims aren't very welcome among conservative, gun owning, molon labe shouting Americans.

Frankly, I'm never going to look at a shooting range the same way again. I mean, I guess I'm just lucky I've never openly expressed my religion at the range! I wonder what would happen if I showed up with a bindi and turban? Yikes. Very off-putting read.

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I'm always surprised at the extent to which other people who weren't raised among extreme conservative Christians get surprised when they find out these people are, indeed, extremists who desire harm to others outside their religion, simply because they can act like normal and even hospitable humans to people whom they don't happen to question as being "their kind of people".  I mean, it's not like they don't post openly on Facebook about how Good Christians need to militarize, it's just somehow not taken literally. 

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Re: Guns and religion in America
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2018, 10:17:37 am »
I'm always surprised at the extent to which other people who weren't raised among extreme conservative Christians get surprised when they find out these people are, indeed, extremists who desire harm to others outside their religion, simply because they can act like normal and even hospitable humans to people whom they don't happen to question as being "their kind of people".  I mean, it's not like they don't post openly on Facebook about how Good Christians need to militarize, it's just somehow not taken literally.

I went to a private, evangelical highschool (two different ones, actually). I have to agree with this assessment. When I reconnected with some of my old pals on Facebook, I was hurt and disgusted by their posts. One of them posted a meme of a mushroom cloud with the caption "time to make peace with Islam!" I tried pointing out that Islam is a religion of 1.1 BILLION men, women AND CHILDREN, and I really hoped that she wasn't suggesting NUKING CHILDREN...

She deleted my comment without acknowledging it. I've since removed her, and all my other school pals, from my friendslist. I'm aware that it sounds extreme to some, but after other instances of hatefulness, as well as disrespect for my own personal boundaries, it was for the best.
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Re: Guns and religion in America
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2018, 01:43:01 pm »
Being the naive, blissfully ignorant person I am, I simply took gun rights groups at their word when they said they supported the Second Amendment. Never once did I ask "Do these guys support guns for Muslims? Gays? Blacks? Women? Or just for themselves."

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Re: Guns and religion in America
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2018, 04:36:19 pm »
I somehow seem to have messed up when I made this thread, and posted it... somewhere? I'm in the wrong place, my mistake! It was meant to go in political discussions.

Oh, good, then you won't be surprised that I've moved it there, which I'm about to do!

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