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Author Topic: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist  (Read 6903 times)

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Re: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist
« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2014, 05:37:43 pm »
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Except, you know, for the many reasons someone might prefer being in the USAF, not to mention that most people who have been in the military or are currently there really recommend that new recruits go for the USAF, as it is one of the better branches.


AKA, one of the easier branches. The AF is said to be, rather ironically now, the one branch where being a soldier is more like being a civilian.

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People in the USAF get extra pay if they end up on an Army base, as compensation for the difference in quality and space. And that's just barely beginning to touch on the issue...




*Laughs* No, that's a rumor probably started by good old branch rivalry. :)

The branch ranks all make the same pay. However, a single E-5 will get less COLA than an E-5 with dependents. And the DoD offers a compensation to all service wo/men who live in inadequate housing for their rank/dependents, as well as any per diem pay when on TDY (Temporary Duty Assignment).
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Re: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist
« Reply #46 on: September 16, 2014, 08:28:17 am »
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Re: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist
« Reply #47 on: September 18, 2014, 02:02:36 pm »
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Looks like the Air Force changed their mind and is no longer require the words as part of the Oath.

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Re: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist
« Reply #48 on: September 18, 2014, 03:12:06 pm »
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Looks like the Air Force changed their mind and is no longer require the words as part of the Oath.


Yup, effective immediately. No surprise there, when something is that blatantly unconstitutional.

The Air Force will now allow airmen to omit ‘so help me God’ from enlistment oaths

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/09/17/the-air-force-will-now-allow-airmen-to-omit-so-help-me-god-from-enlistment-oaths/
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Re: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist
« Reply #49 on: September 18, 2014, 03:15:44 pm »
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2014/09/17/the-air-force-will-now-allow-airmen-to-omit-so-help-me-god-from-enlistment-oaths/


from the article:

"The issue drew attention to a previously unnoticed rule change: The rules governing the Air Force’s enlistment oaths used to include a note stating that “Airmen may omit the words ‘so help me God,’ if desired for personal reasons.” That exception quietly disappeared in October 2013, after which the Air Force required the inclusion of the full oath for any enlistment or reenlistment."

Christianists at work behind the scenes. It creeps me out.
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Re: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist
« Reply #50 on: September 18, 2014, 07:54:40 pm »
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from the article:

"The issue drew attention to a previously unnoticed rule change: The rules governing the Air Force’s enlistment oaths used to include a note stating that “Airmen may omit the words ‘so help me God,’ if desired for personal reasons.” That exception quietly disappeared in October 2013, after which the Air Force required the inclusion of the full oath for any enlistment or reenlistment."

Christianists at work behind the scenes. It creeps me out.

 
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Re: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist
« Reply #51 on: September 18, 2014, 09:38:00 pm »
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Christianists at work behind the scenes. It creeps me out.

Sadly, that's how they've been working for years. While the Falwells and Robertsons hog the attention, they work quietly out of sight and hopefully (at least from their POV) completely out of mind.
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Re: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist
« Reply #52 on: September 18, 2014, 10:35:53 pm »
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Looks like the Air Force changed their mind and is no longer require the words as part of the Oath.

I suspect they only changed their minds because they got caught. I wish I thought otherwise, but given the influence extremist Christian fundamentalists have had over the USAF, I really can't given them the benefit of the doubt.
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Re: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist
« Reply #53 on: September 19, 2014, 06:29:44 am »
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I suspect they only changed their minds because they got caught. I wish I thought otherwise, but given the influence extremist Christian fundamentalists have had over the USAF, I really can't given them the benefit of the doubt.

 
I'm actually quite surprised at this whole thing now. I'd talked to another of my military friends who's in the Air Force, and he said there was no "requirement" to swear to God when he enlisted. But that was back in 2009/2010, so maybe that's why?
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Re: Air force requires an oath to God to (re)enlist
« Reply #54 on: September 19, 2014, 08:37:46 am »
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I'm actually quite surprised at this whole thing now. I'd talked to another of my military friends who's in the Air Force, and he said there was no "requirement" to swear to God when he enlisted. But that was back in 2009/2010, so maybe that's why?

The change to require the "so help me God" phrasing was only made about a year ago.
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