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Author Topic: The one thing you can't stand  (Read 3149 times)

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The one thing you can't stand
« on: March 28, 2018, 07:03:13 pm »
We've had a few discussions here about what our core principles or virtues are, so let's talk about the opposite side.

What concepts do you seek to avoid as much as possible? What do you consider to be forbidden? (taboo, anathema, sin, etc?)

For me, that one thing is waste. Of time, energy, resources, human potential, animal or plant life, or anything else. There's no great thought process behind this, it's mostly the way I was raised.

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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2018, 08:06:02 pm »
We've had a few discussions here about what our core principles or virtues are, so let's talk about the opposite side.

What concepts do you seek to avoid as much as possible? What do you consider to be forbidden? (taboo, anathema, sin, etc?)

For me, that one thing is waste. Of time, energy, resources, human potential, animal or plant life, or anything else. There's no great thought process behind this, it's mostly the way I was raised.

Oooh, this one's easy for me- the one thing I can't stand is willful ignorance. I don't mean the people who haven't had the opportunity to learn, I mean the people who intentionally avoid learning and openly disparage anyone who seeks to gain new information. The fact that someone would be so vehemently against learning and bettering yourself boggles my mind, but I've met a few.


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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2018, 01:28:58 am »
Oooh, this one's easy for me- the one thing I can't stand is willful ignorance. I don't mean the people who haven't had the opportunity to learn, I mean the people who intentionally avoid learning and openly disparage anyone who seeks to gain new information. The fact that someone would be so vehemently against learning and bettering yourself boggles my mind, but I've met a few.
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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2018, 05:36:01 pm »
Oooh, this one's easy for me- the one thing I can't stand is willful ignorance.

That's certainly one of my pet peeves. Also its relatives: a) ignoring or rejecting evidence/facts that don't match your position and b) mistaking opinion for evidence/facts.
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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2018, 05:44:38 pm »
Oooh, this one's easy for me- the one thing I can't stand is willful ignorance. I don't mean the people who haven't had the opportunity to learn, I mean the people who intentionally avoid learning and openly disparage anyone who seeks to gain new information. The fact that someone would be so vehemently against learning and bettering yourself boggles my mind, but I've met a few.

Holy marshmallow Christ. All this and a side of bacon.

I see this shit on FB all the time. Pagan spaces. Political 'discussions'. All the bloody time. My most recent profile pic:
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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2018, 08:45:57 pm »
Oooh, this one's easy for me- the one thing I can't stand is willful ignorance.

To everyone who picked this: are there any specific things you do to avoid this in yourselves and others?

(In my own case, I do a lot of planning ahead in order not to waste time, and to avoid wasting money/space I'm careful about what I buy.)

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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2018, 08:59:13 pm »
To everyone who picked this: are there any specific things you do to avoid this in yourselves and others?

Yes. Read anything and everything I can, about every and any subject. Learn what I can, even if that means just skimming an article or Wiki. If something looks questionable, verify or debunk it. Maintain an open mind, but balance it with a healthy dose of skepticism.
Above all, keep learning. In the age of instant information, ignorance is a choice.

When it comes to my own opinions, challenge them constantly. Examine my arguments, my blind spots, my prejudices. Healthy debate with others is helpful in this regard. I might come away with a new outlook and new ideas, or I'll reinforce why I think what I think. Either way, a win.

Given the current climate, lots of this applies to political discussion, which seems to overrun us at times. In this regard, I read and absorb viewpoints from all points of the spectrum. I actually spend more time reading liberal sources than conservative ones.
Learn all the issues and all the talking points, and then form opinion. I refuse to live in an echo chamber.
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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2018, 11:55:01 pm »
Yes. Read anything and everything I can, about every and any subject. Learn what I can, even if that means just skimming an article or Wiki. If something looks questionable, verify or debunk it. Maintain an open mind, but balance it with a healthy dose of skepticism.
Above all, keep learning. In the age of instant information, ignorance is a choice.

When it comes to my own opinions, challenge them constantly. Examine my arguments, my blind spots, my prejudices. Healthy debate with others is helpful in this regard. I might come away with a new outlook and new ideas, or I'll reinforce why I think what I think. Either way, a win.

Given the current climate, lots of this applies to political discussion, which seems to overrun us at times. In this regard, I read and absorb viewpoints from all points of the spectrum. I actually spend more time reading liberal sources than conservative ones.
Learn all the issues and all the talking points, and then form opinion. I refuse to live in an echo chamber.

This covers a lot of it for me. I read, read, read, and then read some more. I make full use of my school's access to research databases. I try to find reputable sources and cross-reference to make sure they agree. At least for anything science or fact-related.

When it comes to people, though, I ask questions and then listen. I've spent a lot of time in school learning the skill of therapeutic communication, which requires the listener to set aside their own feelings and judgments about what another person is saying and just try to understand where they're coming from. And if someone has had an experience that I haven't had, I recognize that they have more expertise in that field than I do.

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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2018, 01:46:33 am »
Yes. Read anything and everything I can, about every and any subject. Learn what I can, even if that means just skimming an article or Wiki. If something looks questionable, verify or debunk it. Maintain an open mind, but balance it with a healthy dose of skepticism.
Above all, keep learning. In the age of instant information, ignorance is a choice.

When it comes to my own opinions, challenge them constantly. Examine my arguments, my blind spots, my prejudices. Healthy debate with others is helpful in this regard. I might come away with a new outlook and new ideas, or I'll reinforce why I think what I think. Either way, a win.

Given the current climate, lots of this applies to political discussion, which seems to overrun us at times. In this regard, I read and absorb viewpoints from all points of the spectrum. I actually spend more time reading liberal sources than conservative ones.
Learn all the issues and all the talking points, and then form opinion. I refuse to live in an echo chamber.
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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2018, 10:20:00 am »
We've had a few discussions here about what our core principles or virtues are, so let's talk about the opposite side.

What concepts do you seek to avoid as much as possible? What do you consider to be forbidden? (taboo, anathema, sin, etc?)

For me, that one thing is waste. Of time, energy, resources, human potential, animal or plant life, or anything else. There's no great thought process behind this, it's mostly the way I was raised.

1. Waste, as you listed. I think it's a sin to waste food, money, time, resources of any kind.
2. Strawman conversations.
3. The willful ignorance mentioned.
4. Deliberately misreading or misinterpreting (I guess that's under the heading of strawman).
5. Pissing contests and arguing for its own sake.

I'm sure that given enough time, I could come up with a number of other things that chap my ass.
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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2018, 06:04:35 pm »

I'm sure that given enough time, I could come up with a number of other things that chap my ass.

Ah, but those wouldn't be the one thing!

I pose you the same question as the others: what methods do you use to avoid doing these things yourself?

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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2018, 11:26:10 am »
Ah, but those wouldn't be the one thing!

I pose you the same question as the others: what methods do you use to avoid doing these things yourself?

OK, I'm busted! :D

I'm going to go with trying to avoid waste. It's a pet peeve of mine. As I said, I do believe it's a sin to waste food, money, time, resources of any kind. If I have fruit that is getting to the point it's unpalatable, but not rotten, I will put it outside for the little wild creatures. I've done the same thing with pet food when my fur kids got picky. Or I donated that to one of the shelters. I sometimes cook too much, but I make sure the food is eaten and not thrown away. This is one reason I'm over 200 lbs. :D I very rarely throw food in the garbage.





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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2018, 06:34:39 pm »
I'm going to go with trying to avoid waste. It's a pet peeve of mine. As I said, I do believe it's a sin to waste food, money, time, resources of any kind. If I have fruit that is getting to the point it's unpalatable, but not rotten, I will put it outside for the little wild creatures. I've done the same thing with pet food when my fur kids got picky. Or I donated that to one of the shelters. I sometimes cook too much, but I make sure the food is eaten and not thrown away. This is one reason I'm over 200 lbs. :D I very rarely throw food in the garbage.

Interesting, my approach to reducing waste is almost the opposite: I try to limit what I buy in the first place, especially when it comes to food. I suppose it helps that I do my grocery shopping on foot, so there's incentive not to bring too much home!

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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2018, 01:36:33 am »
We've had a few discussions here about what our core principles or virtues are, so let's talk about the opposite side.

What concepts do you seek to avoid as much as possible? What do you consider to be forbidden? (taboo, anathema, sin, etc?)

For me, that one thing is waste. Of time, energy, resources, human potential, animal or plant life, or anything else. There's no great thought process behind this, it's mostly the way I was raised.

I've been mulling this one for a while. There are a lot of things that get my goat, but I think the one thing that immediately shuts me down on anything is arrogance.

Not just pride or confidence, but self-important, "I know better than you despite not even knowing you or your background," smarmy, condescending arrogance. The kind of attitude that says it can only be done one way (the way the person talking says), that all other opinions are wrong, that anyone who disagrees not only is wrong but needs to be bullied into acquiescing. I hate it.

I'm not perfect, and there are times when I've not backed down because I didn't want to be wrong. But I hold that such an attitude is entirely different than one where the person in question would never even consider that they were wrong. And I abhor that kind of arrogance.

Couple it up with ignorance and you've got a nasty combo.

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Re: The one thing you can't stand
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2018, 10:02:15 am »
I've been mulling this one for a while. There are a lot of things that get my goat, but I think the one thing that immediately shuts me down on anything is arrogance.

Not just pride or confidence, but self-important, "I know better than you despite not even knowing you or your background," smarmy, condescending arrogance. The kind of attitude that says it can only be done one way (the way the person talking says), that all other opinions are wrong, that anyone who disagrees not only is wrong but needs to be bullied into acquiescing. I hate it.

For me: religious absolutism, which is perhaps a subset of the above. The "My Way or the Highway to Hell" mentality that at its worst leads to the wholesale slaughter of minorities, over something so personal and ethereal as religion.

I fight it in myself by acknowledging that nobody, myself included, has all the answers. Especially when it comes to religion.
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