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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2012, 03:26:13 pm »
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This thread brings to mind my favorite book on spirituality, Essential Spirituality, by Roger Walsh. He states the seven practices found in most religions are: Transform Your Motivation (happiness), Cultivate Emotional Wisdom (love), Live Ethically (ethics), Concentrate and Calm Your Mind (meditation), Awaken Your Spiritual Vision (the sacred), Cultivate Spiritual Intelligence (wisdom), Express Spirit in Action (service).

He quotes from Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism, and Confucianism.

 
I think it is fascinating that all those are basically "what I do" rather than "what we do" practices.  Those also seem mostly like "right now" foci rather than "where have we been" or "what are we building for the future."  I am always suspicious of religious sum-ups that are all about individuals and not so much about communities.  I am much less concerned with happiness than justice, for instance.
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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2012, 12:36:08 pm »
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VOICES OF FAITH: IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT ALL RELIGIONS HAVE THE SAME GOAL?

ALL PATHS LEAD TO A SUPREME BEING

 
The only goal that I believe all religions share in common is the attempt to explain the world and our place in it, though they clearly maintain different explanations.

Apart from that, Christians want to leave this world for Paradise, Buddhists want to break the cycle of reincarnation and suppress the self, Norse practitioners want to enter into a world of eternal combat and feasting, and I want to keep on being reincarnated into this world here. Sorry if I oversimplified anything or put words in people's mouths, but I'm just trying to demonstrate how the "goals" of religions can vary. And clearly, atheists aren't following a path to a supreme being.

As I understand it, a religion is essentially a perspective. A map to help you understand where you fit in the universe, and possibly help you move to somewhere else if you're not content with where you are. Christianity offered the poor and the meek a path to Paradise because they were persecuted and abused. Buddhism offers people an end to the uneasiness that came from an inherent selfishness. The Norse gods inspired their people to adopt a warrior ethic and a raiding practice, because farming alone was not enough to sustain them in the cold reaches of Scandinavia. And me, I just believe that this world is beautiful and full of great potential, and I have no intention of leaving it so long as I can stay.

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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2012, 01:42:31 pm »
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That statement is an example of why all religions probably do not really have the same goal. Some religions lack a supreme being and have a number of less than supreme beings as deities. Some religion lack a deity (let alone a "supreme being" deity) at all, Buddhism for example.
Exactly. The intention of my religion cannot be to lead me to a Supreme Being since I don't believe in one. I once went to an Interfaith event where someone made the well-intentioned statement that ultimately we all worship the same being (implication - so we should therefore love one another and hug and ooh look kittens and sparkles, or something). Unfortunately I didn't have the opportunity to say 'ah... no' but I thought it pretty damn loudly.
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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2012, 03:31:06 pm »
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Apart from that, Christians want to leave this world for Paradise, Buddhists want to break the cycle of reincarnation and suppress the self, Norse practitioners want to enter into a world of eternal combat and feasting, and I want to keep on being reincarnated into this world here. Sorry if I oversimplified anything or put words in people's mouths, but I'm just trying to demonstrate how the "goals" of religions can vary.

 
I would go so far as to say that if the "goal" of a religion has as a necessary step being dead, I'm not a fan.  (I'm deeply discomfited by any sort of appeal-to-afterlife logic, actually.)  If I encounter people who claim the same religion, one of whom is talking about the being-dead part and one of whom is talking about what to do when they're alive, I'm not going to believe that those two people in the same religion have the same goals.
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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2012, 03:34:23 pm »
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I would go so far as to say that if the "goal" of a religion has as a necessary step being dead, I'm not a fan.

 
I agree entirely! That's one of the big reasons that I felt I needed to leave Christianity. There was just too much of a focus on the unforeseeable future, and I really just want answers for the hear and now. I think it's important to understand death and recognize it as an important part of the natural world, but if your goal is death, there's probably something wrong.

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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2012, 12:22:57 am »
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Not sure where to put this. I understand the question to be a philosophical one. Not one of practicing religion.

from http://www.arcamax.com/religionandspirituality/religiousnews/s-1219082-727701

Oct 17, 2012 The Kansas City Star

VOICES OF FAITH: IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT ALL RELIGIONS HAVE THE SAME GOAL?

ALL PATHS LEAD TO A SUPREME BEING


 Not all religion necessarily requires the belief in the existance of god.

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A.M. Bhattacharyya, an active member of the Hindu community: From the perspective of Hindu faith, the answer is "yes." Let us explore the purpose of a religion in our lives.
(snip)
The real purpose of religion is to raise our spiritual awareness, which helps build compassion, kindness, purity, self-control and a sense of service to fellow humans, and it takes us to a higher and higher level of spiritual wisdom, ultimately to the realization of divinity within.
(snip).

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  I disagree here too. Not all religion is about compassion, kindness, purity, self-control. Some are even far from being it. I will not defame any religion here, but there are several religions that clearly tells people to kill others that are against the religion. I mean, if the religion itself does not have control over its wish to destroy the opposing people, then how would it be able to control the person? Here we removed already kindness, compassion, self-control. There rests only purity, if you believe it does not go by harming other person, because generally these religions say that you have to have control over your sexual desires.
 Not generalizing the religions though, and yes, I know that there are people that thinks different inside them, but no, I don't think they all have the same goal.

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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2012, 09:09:12 am »
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IS IT CORRECT TO SAY THAT ALL RELIGIONS HAVE THE SAME GOAL


That statement would be far too sweeping, but I think you could make the statement that there are broad commonalities between the mystical aspects of many otherwise very different world religions. This is sometimes referred to as the "perennial philosophy."

Personally, I am sympathetic to the concept but the expositions I have seen of the perennial philosophy tend to feel a bit flat and artificial. Also, the perennial aspect can be central to the religion (Mahayana Buddhism), a sect within it (Sufi Islam) or a heresy rejected by the mainstream of that religion (Gnosticism). If you choose to read the New Testament gnostically, you can make it sound very Hindu. Some Hindus will do this and then say "See, Christianity is really the same as Hinduism when correctly interpreted." But most Christians would probably reject the interpretation.

My own conception of theology is perennial, but it's still a huge leap to say that two religions are "the same" just because you can see commonalities if you look at them sideways and squint.

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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2012, 06:30:22 pm »
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ALL PATHS LEAD TO A SUPREME BEING

 
You mean this supreme being?

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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2012, 06:36:18 pm »
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You mean this supreme being?


 
No she is not a ten and/or perfect.
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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2012, 07:48:50 pm »
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No she is not a ten and/or perfect.

 
Yeah, but she'll take care of you.  It's her job.

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Re: Is it correct to say that all religions have the same goal?
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Yeah, but she'll take care of you.  It's her job.

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