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An Interesting Article
« on: May 11, 2014, 10:08:15 am »
The other day I stumbled on this article on patheos by a P. Sufenas Virius Lupus. This passage, in particular, intrigued me:

"How much more true of polytheism is this than many other religions? Not only is everyone on a different path in polytheistic religions, but the paths don't lead to the same places -- some lead up mountains, but others go into mountains, or only go part-way up them, while still others lead to valleys, deep into forests, toward (and beyond) distant seashores, or even out into the dark night's sky itself. If every deity in polytheism can be considered a particular "truth," then there are even multiple paths to that truth, multiple levels on which that truth can be comprehended, and multiple ways to negotiate each of the paths. Polytheism's diversity is radical and thoroughgoing, and should be recognized as such, as well as celebrated for this wondrous variety."

What are your thoughts?
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Re: An Interesting Article
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2014, 04:45:09 pm »
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The other day I stumbled on this article on patheos by a P. Sufenas Virius Lupus. This passage, in particular, intrigued me:

"How much more true of polytheism is this than many other religions? Not only is everyone on a different path in polytheistic religions, but the paths don't lead to the same places -- some lead up mountains, but others go into mountains, or only go part-way up them, while still others lead to valleys, deep into forests, toward (and beyond) distant seashores, or even out into the dark night's sky itself. If every deity in polytheism can be considered a particular "truth," then there are even multiple paths to that truth, multiple levels on which that truth can be comprehended, and multiple ways to negotiate each of the paths. Polytheism's diversity is radical and thoroughgoing, and should be recognized as such, as well as celebrated for this wondrous variety."

What are your thoughts?

 
I suppose that it's a matter of finding a happy medium between individualism and cooperation that is more than nobody clashing and hurting each other irreparably. There's mutual respect for separate paths, even within what appears to be the same path in the same faith, but there's also this idea or ideal of connectedness.

The passage also reminded me of Carl Jung's Red Book, which started out making me really uncomfortable, because according to his philosophy, the story of Christianity had dominated the Western world and therefore all Westerners were psychologically Christian and only lying to themselves if they didn't accept that. (Face a "shadow" and all.) Later in the same book, perhaps after noticing that his own psyche wasn't all Christian symbolism all the time only, some prominent guides being Philemon and Baucis from Greek mythology and Mime from The Ring of Nibelunglied--he told his Christian thoughtforms Salome and Elijah that psychological polytheism was the way to go because it was more dynamic and multi-faceted and therefore more nurturing or something.
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Re: An Interesting Article
« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2014, 12:58:22 pm »
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I suppose that it's a matter of finding a happy medium between individualism and cooperation that is more than nobody clashing and hurting each other irreparably. There's mutual respect for separate paths, even within what appears to be the same path in the same faith, but there's also this idea or ideal of connectedness.

The passage also reminded me of Carl Jung's Red Book, which started out making me really uncomfortable, because according to his philosophy, the story of Christianity had dominated the Western world and therefore all Westerners were psychologically Christian and only lying to themselves if they didn't accept that. (Face a "shadow" and all.) Later in the same book, perhaps after noticing that his own psyche wasn't all Christian symbolism all the time only, some prominent guides being Philemon and Baucis from Greek mythology and Mime from The Ring of Nibelunglied--he told his Christian thoughtforms Salome and Elijah that psychological polytheism was the way to go because it was more dynamic and multi-faceted and therefore more nurturing or something.

 
Interesting. Do you believe the ideal of connectedness is a realistic one?

Though I love Jung generally, I have no idea in what way we might all be psychologically Christian or why psychological polytheism might be more nurturing?
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Re: An Interesting Article
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2014, 04:33:41 pm »
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Interesting. Do you believe the ideal of connectedness is a realistic one?

Though I love Jung generally, I have no idea in what way we might all be psychologically Christian or why psychological polytheism might be more nurturing?
Hi i would like to join in on this thank you for the fun topic. I don't for sure agree with Mr Jung  that we are all psychologically Christians or Christian minded, however i feel the idea was rooted in the belief that the cultural operating system those people in question where exposed to was set up in such a fashion that most people accepted and operated within the Christian norm just being part of a SO called Christian society. Regarding the idea of connectedness do you mean in the way Mr Jung mentions this? if so alot of his work is backed by an understanding he has of Kabbalah so looking there would be a way of getting more details on this view. Just my opinion expressed here thank you. Blessings to all.

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Re: An Interesting Article
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2014, 04:40:51 pm »
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Interesting. Do you believe the ideal of connectedness is a realistic one?

Though I love Jung generally, I have no idea in what way we might all be psychologically Christian or why psychological polytheism might be more nurturing?
Psychological polytheism as Mr Jung may have meant it in this statement, could be understood by looking at what psychological monotheism could be saying that the waking you all the wants desires urges and etc are your G_D and to serve one type of ego or inner G_D could create a conflict with others urges and to sevre many urges is to nurture or grow in those other areas this way of thinking supports the face the shadow theory. Thanx.:D:

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Re: An Interesting Article
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2014, 11:27:34 pm »
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Interesting. Do you believe the ideal of connectedness is a realistic one?


Sometimes. Sometimes, it's the only reason for life to me: connecting with other people and making the planet that we share a better place. Other times, I feel like it's impossible to truly connect and all the connections I thought I made before with other people was just wishful thinking.

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Though I love Jung generally, I have no idea in what way we might all be psychologically Christian or why psychological polytheism might be more nurturing?


It's in his Red Book (Liber Novus), he can go on and on and on about it and his spirit guide thought the sentiment anti-Semetic codswallop. :p

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the idea was rooted in the belief that the cultural operating system those people in question where exposed to was set up in such a fashion that most people accepted and operated within the Christian norm just being part of a SO called Christian society.


Yes I think that's a generally accurate summary of it.

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Regarding the idea of connectedness do you mean in the way Mr Jung mentions this?


Nope, that's just my two cents.
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Re: An Interesting Article
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2014, 06:56:54 pm »
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The other day I stumbled on this article on patheos by a P. Sufenas Virius Lupus. This passage, in particular, intrigued me:

"How much more true of polytheism is this than many other religions? Not only is everyone on a different path in polytheistic religions, but the paths don't lead to the same places -- some lead up mountains, but others go into mountains, or only go part-way up them, while still others lead to valleys, deep into forests, toward (and beyond) distant seashores, or even out into the dark night's sky itself. If every deity in polytheism can be considered a particular "truth," then there are even multiple paths to that truth, multiple levels on which that truth can be comprehended, and multiple ways to negotiate each of the paths. Polytheism's diversity is radical and
thoroughgoing, and should be recognized as such, as well
 as celebrated for this wondrous variety."

What are your thoughts?


That was a good article.  I do not believe all religions are one or lead to the same place.  It is disrespectful to reduce religions into one as if their distinctions are not important.  The goals of Buddhism for instance are not the same as Santeria.  The religions don't lead to the same place.  I suspect that the "enlightenment" of an Orthodox monk chanting the Jesus Prayer in his cell is different from that of a Buddhist monk fingering his mala beads even if the effects are similar.

Polytheists seem to acknowledge this although I wouldn't say monism necessarily leads to thinking there is only one truth.  I am a monist, for example, and wouldn't say I am a hard polytheist.  In a sense I believe gods are archetypes or projections of human belief systems with a life of their own, but they are not interchangeable.  They are all one in that they are all part of the "mind" of the universe.

My view of truth is that there is no truth, meaning everything I say and believe is necessarily subjective, can never give me direct access to Reality.  Truth is a construct, having no meaning or existence without sentient creatures to construct it.  Truth is a grasping after Reality, not Reality itself.
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