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Author Topic: Debate topic: Peace  (Read 4435 times)

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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2018, 03:10:07 pm »
But might we still have been happy that way?

I gotta agree. The benefits of technology, medicine, science, culture, and everything else that comes with sedentary society are benefits *only* because they remedy existing problems. They also create lots of problems. If the basic challenges of life, such as hunger, sickness, and conflict were eliminated, there would be no need, or in my opinion, desire for settled living.

To me, saying that without conflict, we wouldn't have civilization, is like saying without cancer, we wouldn't have chemo. My response; duh! Of course we wouldn't have the only-slightly-less-horrible-than-what-it-cures treatment if the thing we were trying to treat with it didn't exist.
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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2018, 06:27:55 pm »
Society promotes strangers.

What does this actually mean? What are you trying to say?

Do you mean that society promotes strangers into higher ranks/paid jobs? Or do you mean that society promotes a situation where people can only be strangers to each other?

In the first case, well duh. Most people in the world will be strangers, so of course strangers will get more net promotions than people you know. In the second case, that's highly debatable. Social expectations (including work) can make it more difficult to make friends. On the other hand, it also supports many ways for people to get in touch with, or keep in touch with, people we meet and get to know.

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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2018, 08:19:40 pm »
We are not predators.

The meat on my plate begs to differ. So does science:

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I don't know what you mean by that. A hybrid would be a cross of two distinct species--for example, a mule (a horse crossed with a donkey). There definitely was hybridization by some of our species in the ancient past, when certain populations spread out of Africa and met Neanderthals. But today, Neanderthal genes constitute only a small fraction of the DNA in non-African people. And I don't follow how that long-ago hybridization impacts human tendencies for war-making or peace-making.
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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2018, 02:10:44 am »
We are not predators. We are an hybrid and we make enemies with each other.
Do you mean we are omnivores? That doesn’t change the fact that we are predators. Predators are not defined as 100% carnivorous. 


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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2018, 10:38:42 am »
Do you mean we are omnivores? That doesn’t change the fact that we are predators. Predators are not defined as 100% carnivorous. 


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WHAT MADE HUMANS INTO GLOBAL SUPER PREDATORS?
http://www.conservationmagazine.org/2015/08/what-made-humans-into-global-super-predators/

I don't know what you mean by that. A hybrid would be a cross of two distinct species--for example, a mule (a horse crossed with a donkey). There definitely was hybridization by some of our species in the ancient past, when certain populations spread out of Africa and met Neanderthals. But today, Neanderthal genes constitute only a small fraction of the DNA in non-African people. And I don't follow how that long-ago hybridization impacts human tendencies for war-making or peace-making.
Humans eat bananas. A malfunction in the brain caused them to eat meat. When did humans start to eat meat?
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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2018, 10:41:36 am »
What does this actually mean? What are you trying to say?

Do you mean that society promotes strangers into higher ranks/paid jobs? Or do you mean that society promotes a situation where people can only be strangers to each other?

In the first case, well duh. Most people in the world will be strangers, so of course strangers will get more net promotions than people you know. In the second case, that's highly debatable. Social expectations (including work) can make it more difficult to make friends. On the other hand, it also supports many ways for people to get in touch with, or keep in touch with, people we meet and get to know.
I mean, all humans are the same, but we are strangers because society says so.
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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2018, 11:42:33 am »
Humans eat bananas. A malfunction in the brain caused them to eat meat. When did humans start to eat meat?

I would say some time around Genesis 9:3.
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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2018, 11:43:08 am »
I mean, all humans are the same, but we are strangers because society says so.

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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2018, 03:33:19 pm »
Humans eat bananas. A malfunction in the brain caused them to eat meat. When did humans start to eat meat?
Humans ate meat before they were homo sapien sapiens. In other words, as long as we have been humans.


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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2018, 04:37:44 pm »
Humans ate meat before they were homo sapien sapiens. In other words, as long as we have been humans.


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What I wanted to say is that meat was added to the diet. I may be wrong but men initialy were eating fruit and roots.
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2018, 04:39:30 pm »
What I wanted to say is that meat was added to the diet. I may be wrong but men initialy were eating fruit and roots.
I don't think humans have been an herbivorous species since maybe ever. Individuals may be vegetarian or vegan, but on the whole we're an omnivorous lot.

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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2018, 05:42:02 pm »
I mean, all humans are the same, but we are strangers because society says so.

1: We are not the same.
2: The fact that most people are strangers is due to our limited ability to know people. There are only so many hours in the day. Its hardly societies fault.

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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2018, 08:11:49 pm »
A malfunction in the brain caused them to eat meat.

What is your source for your claim that this was a malfunction in the brain?

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« Reply #43 on: September 02, 2018, 02:10:27 am »
What I wanted to say is that meat was added to the diet. I may be wrong but men initialy were eating fruit and roots.
No. Humans have always eaten meat. We have also eaten roots and fruits. Human beings have always been omnivores.

Please remember, even monkeys will eat meat when they can get it.


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Re: Debate topic: Peace
« Reply #44 on: September 02, 2018, 02:36:54 am »
No. Humans have always eaten meat. We have also eaten roots and fruits. Human beings have always been omnivores. Please remember, even monkeys will eat meat when they can get it.

Eh, that's not entirely accurate; monkeys and other apes will eat meat *if they need it* because something is lacking in their diet. Usually, this happens when food is scarce, and they need extra nutrients that they normally don't eat.

It's not about being able to get it. Most monkeys and apes *could* have meat all the time, if they wanted it, but they simply don't. Gorillas and chimps occasionally eat meat, but quite often it's abundant and they ignore it.

This is also true for the distant ancestors of humanity. Our more recent ancestors, and of course our own species, have come to eat meat extensively, but for early hominids, it was a rare addition to the diet when food was scarce, not a staple of the diet.
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