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« Reply #15 on: May 02, 2014, 01:08:09 am »
No. Basically my life is chaotic and so over the years I've developed OCD  tendencies so that I could regain control of some aspects of my life. Apparently. Even little things like always having everything did numbered is, for me, a control thing and I didn't realize that. I can't control the big or important things. So the little things became important for me to control. Does that make sense?

I've also seriously thought that I might have adult onset of ADHD. But my anxiety test results finally came in and we are going to discuss them Monday.

But the things that made me feel like I've been haunted and in haunted houses, those happened before the anxiety (that I'm aware of). I had these "feelings" since I was a kid. Eh? Who knows? But if tattooing myself in runes allows me to stay alone without freaking out and allows me to sleep peacefully then that is what I will do. I love my tats and I don't regret them ever.

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I've also seriously thought that I might have adult onset of ADHD.

 
No such thing. You may be thinking of how some people aren't identified/diagnosed as having ADHD until adulthood, but these are still people who have always had it.

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« Reply #18 on: May 02, 2014, 11:50:56 am »
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No such thing. You may be thinking of how some people aren't identified/diagnosed as having ADHD until adulthood, but these are still people who have always had it.

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My hubs has ADHD (we're pretty sure) and some anxiety issues. He's also empathically sensitive and has done some medium work on our investigations. And considering how his mother always calls out of the blue when he's having an emotional crisis, I suspect it all runs in the family.

I, too, have some psychic talents that run in the family, but not like his.

At any rate, where I think many paranormalists go wrong is in not being objective about experiences, and that's where I think they can do more harm than good. In reading all the OP's stuff, my "professional" opinion is that there might be some paranormal stuff going on... one of my coven-mates has had issues with ghosts her whole life, but never really explored that in a safe, positive way until recently.

Personal shielding is a great skill for anyone, but it's mandatory if you're at all sensitive to energies outside yourself. I really like the simple concept of surrounding yourself in a bubble of white light. It's also a really easy idea to teach to children who may have abilities.

One last thing, before my thumbs fall off... be careful about how you approach these topics with therapists and doctors. Most are going to completely misunderstand of any talk of psychic shielding or being thwapped by deities.

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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2014, 05:29:53 pm »
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My hubs has ADHD (we're pretty sure) and some anxiety issues. He's also empathically sensitive and has done some medium work on our investigations. And considering how his mother always calls out of the blue when he's having an emotional crisis, I suspect it all runs in the family.

I, too, have some psychic talents that run in the family, but not like his.

At any rate, where I think many paranormalists go wrong is in not being objective about experiences, and that's where I think they can do more harm than good. In reading all the OP's stuff, my "professional" opinion is that there might be some paranormal stuff going on... one of my coven-mates has had issues with ghosts her whole life, but never really explored that in a safe, positive way until recently.

Personal shielding is a great skill for anyone, but it's mandatory if you're at all sensitive to energies outside yourself. I really like the simple concept of surrounding yourself in a bubble of white light. It's also a really easy idea to teach to children who may have abilities.

One last thing, before my thumbs fall off... be careful about how you approach these topics with therapists and doctors. Most are going to completely misunderstand of any talk of psychic shielding or being thwapped by deities.

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Yeah the paranormal part is not something I've brought up. I have no plans to be committed for "hearing voices" or being diagnosed as schizophrenic. My mother had the same experience and that's what happened to her. Now she just thinks she's crazy and that demons are all over and she's a Jehovah's Witness on top of that. It helps some since my therapist is an athiest and he was raised without any religious influence. So he is interested if I talk about mine since he's never heard of most of it. <---besides the point. Sorry.

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Re: Demons, ghosts, spirit guides? Problems.
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2014, 04:36:19 pm »
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Yeah the paranormal part is not something I've brought up. I have no plans to be committed for "hearing voices" or being diagnosed as schizophrenic. My mother had the same experience and that's what happened to her. Now she just thinks she's crazy and that demons are all over and she's a Jehovah's Witness on top of that. It helps some since my therapist is an athiest and he was raised without any religious influence. So he is interested if I talk about mine since he's never heard of most of it. <---besides the point. Sorry.

First of all, I'm slightly offended at your casual mention of being 'committed' for 'hearing voices', as I understood it as having a negative undertone.  

Secondly, if your mother was diagnosed with Schizophrenia, then the likelihood of you or siblings (If you have any) getting the disorder is higher. If Schizophrenia runs in your family, and other family members have it, then it is highly advised that you keep a journal (As mentioned in previous posts). I'd advise that you include your mental health symptoms from day to day in the journal as well, and if anything at all gets worse, then to speak with your PCP about a Psychiatry referral.

It could just be that you're haunted, or it could just be that your developing the same thing your mother has been diagnosed with.

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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizophrenia/basics/definition/con-20021077
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2014, 05:01:16 pm »
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Yeah the paranormal part is not something I've brought up. I have no plans to be committed for "hearing voices" or being diagnosed as schizophrenic. My mother had the same experience and that's what happened to her. Now she just thinks she's crazy and that demons are all over and she's a Jehovah's Witness on top of that. It helps some since my therapist is an athiest and he was raised without any religious influence. So he is interested if I talk about mine since he's never heard of most of it. <---besides the point. Sorry.

 
You know, I think I need to elaborate.

Firstly, your mother having schizophrenia is a REAL THING. It is a chronic HEALTH issue that she has. Meaning, it's about as serious as having heart disease. Based off of your statement alone, if your mother thinks she is "crazy" (Which, by the way, she is not. See the HEALTH ISSUE statement above), then it would mean to me that she has some sort of awareness that what she is seeing is not IRL. At least she can identify that. Your lack of compassion for somebody who goes through something as traumatic as seeing demons everywhere, quite frankly disgusts me.

Also, making a slew about her religion is NOT okay. You are on an interfaith board, which means some tolerance for other religions is important, and that includes religions that are NOT under the pagan umbrella term. It doesn't mean you can casually talk about other faiths as if it's all "OMG look at the religion that's not pagan. Pffft."

I'm also going to say, if your therapist is more interested in being amazed at your "experiences" then they are examining if the experiences are a significant problem, then you need a new one. Because, you'll never improve with somebody like that. IF you even want to improve.
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You know, I think I need to elaborate.

Firstly, your mother having schizophrenia is a REAL THING. It is a chronic HEALTH issue that she has. Meaning, it's about as serious as having heart disease. Based off of your statement alone, if your mother thinks she is "crazy" (Which, by the way, she is not. See the HEALTH ISSUE statement above), then it would mean to me that she has some sort of awareness that what she is seeing is not IRL. At least she can identify that. Your lack of compassion for somebody who goes through something as traumatic as seeing demons everywhere, quite frankly disgusts me.

Also, making a slew about her religion is NOT okay. You are on an interfaith board, which means some tolerance for other religions is important, and that includes religions that are NOT under the pagan umbrella term. It doesn't mean you can casually talk about other faiths as if it's all "OMG look at the religion that's not pagan. Pffft."

I'm also going to say, if your therapist is more interested in being amazed at your "experiences" then they are examining if the experiences are a significant problem, then you need a new one. Because, you'll never improve with somebody like that. IF you even want to improve.

 
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« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2014, 05:16:25 pm »
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First of all, I'm slightly offended at your casual mention of being 'committed' for 'hearing voices', as I understood it as having a negative undertone.  

Secondly, if your mother was diagnosed with Schizophrenia, then the likelihood of you or siblings (If you have any) getting the disorder is higher. If Schizophrenia runs in your family, and other family members have it, then it is highly advised that you keep a journal (As mentioned in previous posts). I'd advise that you include your mental health symptoms from day to day in the journal as well, and if anything at all gets worse, then to speak with your PCP about a Psychiatry referral.

It could just be that you're haunted, or it could just be that your developing the same thing your mother has been diagnosed with.

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http://www.schizophrenia.com/prev1.htm

http://www.nami.org/Content/NavigationMenu/Mental_Illnesses/Schizophrenia9/Diagnosing_Schizophrenia.htm

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizophrenia/basics/definition/con-20021077

 
First, it has negative undertones only as personal ones. I don't have time to be committed. I know a lot of people who have been committed, some family and some not. My mother refuses therapy because they force her to do group and she hates it. She's an introvert. I don't have time to be committed for that type. I'm also not schizophrenic. I also don't think my mother is. This is where medical science and the paranormal do not mix. My mom told me stories that were creepy from her childhood. So did my aunt. Things like pictures they threw away in a dumpster, then later that night while sleeping, hearing noises and turning on the lights to find the pictures back in place. That's not hearing voices but it is paranormal. I've heard dozens of stories. Enough for me to consider writing a book. I also remember "creepy" things from childhood. And since the things happening aren't just being heard by me, it reinforces that it's not "all in my head". And the psychologists always ask us if we hear voices. Like I said. I don't have time for that. You can't convince the non believers.

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Re: Demons, ghosts, spirit guides? Problems.
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First, it has negative undertones only as personal ones. I don't have time to be committed. I know a lot of people who have been committed, some family and some not. My mother refuses therapy because they force her to do group and she hates it. She's an introvert. I don't have time to be committed for that type. I'm also not schizophrenic. I also don't think my mother is. This is where medical science and the paranormal do not mix. My mom told me stories that were creepy from her childhood. So did my aunt. Things like pictures they threw away in a dumpster, then later that night while sleeping, hearing noises and turning on the lights to find the pictures back in place. That's not hearing voices but it is paranormal. I've heard dozens of stories. Enough for me to consider writing a book. I also remember "creepy" things from childhood. And since the things happening aren't just being heard by me, it reinforces that it's not "all in my head". And the psychologists always ask us if we hear voices. Like I said. I don't have time for that. You can't convince the non believers.

 
It's your story, tell it any way you want to. Paranormal Science /IS/ a thing, but so is Mental health. Neither should be discredited for the other, and sometimes they can mix. Particularly if one interferes with the other.
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« Reply #26 on: May 03, 2014, 08:34:01 pm »
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First, it has negative undertones only as personal ones. I don't have time to be committed. I know a lot of people who have been committed, some family and some not. My mother refuses therapy because they force her to do group and she hates it. She's an introvert. I don't have time to be committed for that type. I'm also not schizophrenic. I also don't think my mother is. This is where medical science and the paranormal do not mix. My mom told me stories that were creepy from her childhood. So did my aunt. Things like pictures they threw away in a dumpster, then later that night while sleeping, hearing noises and turning on the lights to find the pictures back in place. That's not hearing voices but it is paranormal. I've heard dozens of stories. Enough for me to consider writing a book. I also remember "creepy" things from childhood. And since the things happening aren't just being heard by me, it reinforces that it's not "all in my head". And the psychologists always ask us if we hear voices. Like I said. I don't have time for that. You can't convince the non believers.

I'm pretty sure no one who has replied is a 'non-believer.' But you are basically stating that you would rather demons were in your house than have a treatable mental illness. The problem is not that we don't believe in the things you do, it's that you need to consider both possibilities. If you do not, you are putting yourself and your family at a great risk.

Wouldn't you rather find out a medication would help and that the ghost happenings in your house are either not as bad as you thought or nonexistant? Or find out for sure that it is not in your head, so you can find a way to deal with the demons/ghosts/whatever without as much scepticism and without any self doubt?

A psychiatrist won't commit you for believing in ghosts or being pagan; there would be a LOT more people in psych hospitals than there are now, and they legally cannot force you into treatment unless you are a danger to yourself or others. As well as that, a psychiatrist is bound to confidentiality, so they can't give you a reputation as a crazy person or anything, even if they do not believe you, and they will give you someone to talk to (which, when you are freaked out for any reason, can be very important).

If there is something medically wrong, it could be life-threatening. It could be schizophrenia, it could also be a brain tumour. If there is something medically wrong and there are ghosts/demons, you will be less able to shield yourself and your family.

It isn't a matter of 'you're crazy! ghosts aren't real! see a doctor lol!' Mental illness and paranormal activity are not mutually exclusive. What presents as a mental illness is not necessarily only mental, and in any case, mental illness is just as real as any 'real' illness (cancer, heart problems, etc) and should be treated or at least monitored. To do less than have a consultation is, frankly, irresponsible and negligent. You have asked for an (online) consultation for the spiritual half.

You have received advice on the spiritual part- shield yourself, cleanse your house, ward it, and shield everyone else. Calm your mind and do so with intention. These have been repeated. It isn't that we are unhelpful nonbelievers, it is that we are concerned for your health. It is the exact same course of action I have followed in the past: When I was saw someone(thing) clear as day in my bedroom, I cleansed the room, put up wards, and talked to my doctor. He told me that based on the rest of what I told him, there was nothing medical to worry about, and that was that. No, not all doctors are the same amount tolerant as each other, but they are not villains.

Frankly, your offence at outside advice and attempts to victimize yourself while downplaying the advice does not help your case.
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« Reply #27 on: May 03, 2014, 11:41:01 pm »
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I just wanted to add to myself:

A more obvious example: If you were randomly fainting, I would like to think you would see a doctor, since it could be epilepsy, heart problems, spine problems, etc. If you didn't get checked out, you'd be risking not only the medical problem escalating, but head injury, traffic accidents, and other incidental problems that occur when someone passes out unexpectedly.

You could also assume that it was a trance-like state with something to do with your spiritual path. But if you assume that, you are risking all of the above. If you assume it is or may be medical, you are not ruling out spiritual involvement or betraying your faith, you are being responsible for your safety and the safety of those around you.

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You could also assume that it was a trance-like state with something to do with your spiritual path. But if you assume that, you are risking all of the above. If you assume it is or may be medical, you are not ruling out spiritual involvement or betraying your faith, you are being responsible for your safety and the safety of those around you.

 
Scales and Raine both make good points in their posts.

I'm going to add that, if you find that the anger/ill-will dissipates as soon as you leave the house, you'll also want to check into environmental factors within the house itself.  There are many physical things in a house that can cause paranormal-like experiences, including chemicals, faulty wiring, and black mold.  

Most of my spiritual work revolves around things that fall into the 'paranormal' category, but I've also had the experience of living in house that had really bad wiring combined with sinking foundation (which caused a subtle but disorienting slanting of floors and leaning of walls).  The result was that almost everyone who walked into the house had weird experiences - including hearing 'voices' and seeing shadow figures- as well as heightened emotional reactions.  While there was some minor activity in the house (we did have a resident ghost), most of what was going on was a result of the environmental factors in the house.  It's worth checking out if the events seem limited to the house itself.
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« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2014, 05:39:00 pm »
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First, it has negative undertones only as personal ones. I don't have time to be committed. I know a lot of people who have been committed, some family and some not. My mother refuses therapy because they force her to do group and she hates it. She's an introvert. I don't have time to be committed for that type. I'm also not schizophrenic. I also don't think my mother is. This is where medical science and the paranormal do not mix. My mom told me stories that were creepy from her childhood. So did my aunt. Things like pictures they threw away in a dumpster, then later that night while sleeping, hearing noises and turning on the lights to find the pictures back in place. That's not hearing voices but it is paranormal. I've heard dozens of stories. Enough for me to consider writing a book. I also remember "creepy" things from childhood. And since the things happening aren't just being heard by me, it reinforces that it's not "all in my head". And the psychologists always ask us if we hear voices. Like I said. I don't have time for that. You can't convince the non believers.

 
Btw I live in oklahoma in the US. Part of the Trail of Tears for Native Americans. There's a lot of history here. There was a lot of murder. The whole state, but especially where I live, has the highest concentration of any of the five civilized tribes. We are mostly Choctaw and Cherokee around here but there are plenty more. My point in this is that there has been so much sadness, heartache, murder, sickness, etc over such a long period of time that this place is saturated with spirits. Almost anyone can tell you ghost stories. There are places where "everyone knows that place is haunted".

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