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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2012, 09:57:25 pm »
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I understand that but it doesn't change the prevailing understanding that cryptozoology and cryptids generally are not placed beneath the category of paranormal but psuedoscience.  That placement appearing to be based upon the typical non-scientific approach used to prove their existence or possibility of having once existed.  With some change to procedure the arguments of an existence of said creature could be argued within the scientific or zoological community.

But all that aside as I stated FOR ME the term paranormal reseach simply adds to the confusion when its expanded to include cryptozoology and cryptids.  But it is my opinon and the way I define the term and is now known to anyone who reads the thread.

 
my question is which is more dangerous to research?
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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2012, 10:08:10 pm »
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my question is which is more dangerous to research?


My opinion is their equaly dangerious depending upon the means and methods one uses to do so.  Yet I think the greatest danger lies within the mind of the one doing the research.  One might under-evaluate their potential to cause harm or over-evaluate it and arrive at a position that can harm them.

Though I'd also have to say research also depends upon whether it is simply researching via books and on-line accounts or actually physically seeking it out and experiencing it first hand.  On-line or in books the worse you do is potentially learn the wrong material or do not comprehend it without a frame of reference.  To physically seek it out is to step into its world and the dangers to be found there or brought there by the seeker.   In some cases to bring your presence to its attention or other things that stay in the same type locations or situations.

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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2012, 10:25:32 pm »
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My opinion is their equaly dangerious depending upon the means and methods one uses to do so.  Yet I think the greatest danger lies within the mind of the one doing the research.  One might under-evaluate their potential to cause harm or over-evaluate it and arrive at a position that can harm them.

Though I'd also have to say research also depends upon whether it is simply researching via books and on-line accounts or actually physically seeking it out and experiencing it first hand.  On-line or in books the worse you do is potentially learn the wrong material or do not comprehend it without a frame of reference.  To physically seek it out is to step into its world and the dangers to be found there or brought there by the seeker.   In some cases to bring your presence to its attention or other things that stay in the same type locations or situations.

id read what i can on what im researching, but if i could experience MOST anything first hand i would. there are exceptions. like hell hounds, the Slender man, big foot and the like of those. at most i would rely on video and audio equipment to capture their visual and and audio presences. nothing else tho.

what i have toyed with is the idea of asking locals who are experienced in the Occidental Ceremonial Magick to let me attend their next ritual when they must invoke/evoke either a Demon or an angel. all i would do is sit in like a seperate area that is for my protection. i would use cameras, voice recorders, and i would write down in a journal what the ritual was for, the intended purpose, what they were doing, who/what they spoke with, and the final out come. i realize tho it would be EXTREMELY dangerous, and before i even attempt to look for anyone in my local area who practices Occidental Ceremonial Magick, i need to work on my aura, protecting myself and setting barriers.
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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2012, 10:41:16 pm »
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id read what i can on what im researching, but if i could experience MOST anything first hand i would. there are exceptions. like hell hounds, the Slender man, big foot and the like of those. at most i would rely on video and audio equipment to capture their visual and and audio presences. nothing else tho.


First hand experience can be a major boon in some instance but in other's it's not one i'd want.  Especially so given that what you see and understand may not be the same for the person who is standing next to you and experiencing it as well.  Though I attribute that to each individuals frame of reference and how they analyze those experiences.

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what i have toyed with is the idea of asking locals who are experienced in the Occidental Ceremonial Magick to let me attend their next ritual when they must invoke/evoke either a Demon or an angel. all i would do is sit in like a seperate area that is for my protection.


I often wonder if there really is a safe or seperate area one can sit in for their protection?  A video can reveal a lot of stuff but it can never reveal the physical sensations that are registered upon the body and mind.  Sort of the idea that watching a fire on tv can never reveal the intense heat of it, the way it sucks your breath out and can leave you gasping as the hot air burns the lungs, the way you body wilts beneath the force of it as it saps you.

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i would use cameras, voice recorders, and i would write down in a journal what the ritual was for, the intended purpose, what they were doing, who/what they spoke with, and the final out come.


I wish you luck on that aspect.  Myself, I'd be very leary of any group that I was not an initiated member of that allowed me to film or record what happened.

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i realize tho it would be EXTREMELY dangerous, and before i even attempt to look for anyone in my local area who practices Occidental Ceremonial Magick, i need to work on my aura, protecting myself and setting barriers.


I can only speak for myself but i've never heard of any one using their aura for protection only for healing and reading the condition of the body.  My advise would be to learn just how ceremonial magics work and the sigils, glyphs and such are used and how each school approaches it.  Of course that is just my opinon so it may differ from what otehr's would or will tell you.

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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2012, 10:44:33 pm »
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The search for cryptids or cryptozoology is not paranormal.

 
I don't think BlackWolf said they were. From my understanding, they were talking about paranormal research as something separate from cryptozoology.

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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2012, 10:48:56 pm »
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my question is which is more dangerous to research?

 
Depends on your methods. Comparing my looking for ghosts to Josh Gate's looking for cryptids, I'd say cryptids are way more dangerous to research. Because, you know, there are very REAL animals in the jungle that truly are dangerous.

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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2012, 10:52:03 pm »
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I don't think BlackWolf said they were. From my understanding, they were talking about paranormal research as something separate from cryptozoology.

 
its all beings or creatures that are rarely seen by the human eye. id like to see them either with my eyes, or through the lens of a camera. im very interested in mythology, cryptozoology, and paranormal things.  the chance to even catch a glimps of something that not everyone sees makes a life time impact
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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #37 on: August 10, 2012, 10:53:46 pm »
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its all beings or creatures that are rarely seen by the human eye. i

 
My confusion, then.

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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #38 on: August 10, 2012, 10:57:13 pm »
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First hand experience can be a major boon in some instance but in other's it's not one i'd want.  Especially so given that what you see and understand may not be the same for the person who is standing next to you and experiencing it as well.  Though I attribute that to each individuals frame of reference and how they analyze those experiences.

 

I often wonder if there really is a safe or seperate area one can sit in for their protection?  A video can reveal a lot of stuff but it can never reveal the physical sensations that are registered upon the body and mind.  Sort of the idea that watching a fire on tv can never reveal the intense heat of it, the way it sucks your breath out and can leave you gasping as the hot air burns the lungs, the way you body wilts beneath the force of it as it saps you.



I wish you luck on that aspect.  Myself, I'd be very leary of any group that I was not an initiated member of that allowed me to film or record what happened.



I can only speak for myself but i've never heard of any one using their aura for protection only for healing and reading the condition of the body.  My advise would be to learn just how ceremonial magics work and the sigils, glyphs and such are used and how each school approaches it.  Of course that is just my opinon so it may differ from what otehr's would or will tell you.

 
if i could see/hear even for 5 seconds what an angel and a demon sounds like, i would never forget it. even if its just "hi how are you?" it would be a little life changing in a good way.
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« Reply #39 on: August 10, 2012, 10:59:18 pm »
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My confusion, then.

 
oh its ok. i hardly tell the difference to be honest. a hell hound is as cool as big foot to me. even tho one is a creature and ones a demon. id be over joyed to see them through the lens of a camera, not in person tho. big foot could crush me easily, and if u see a hell hound 3 times u die an untimely death
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« Reply #40 on: August 10, 2012, 11:13:00 pm »
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oh its ok. i hardly tell the difference to be honest. a hell hound is as cool as big foot to me. even tho one is a creature and ones a demon. id be over joyed to see them through the lens of a camera, not in person tho. big foot could crush me easily, and if u see a hell hound 3 times u die an untimely death


Bolded mine.  Now that is something i've not heard before.  I usually think of them like the dogs in the Wild Hunt or the stories of the black dogs.

With regard to hearing an angle or demon i've never really known if you hear them outloud or if its just in your head.  Sort of a telekenisis (sp) type thing I figure.

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« Reply #41 on: August 10, 2012, 11:27:19 pm »
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Bolded mine.  Now that is something i've not heard before.  I usually think of them like the dogs in the Wild Hunt or the stories of the black dogs.

With regard to hearing an angle or demon i've never really known if you hear them outloud or if its just in your head.  Sort of a telekenisis (sp) type thing I figure.

 
rumor has it that hell hounds are summoned for specific reasons. 1) you sold your soul to the underworld and your contract is up (you served your purpose) 2) you are about to die and they want to get to your soul before who ever or what ever you pray to can get to you first 3) the underworld could be in need of some souls right then and not enough dead have come through that day.

as i said tho id never want to encounter one but i wouldn't mind seeing something like a real video clip of one.
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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2012, 04:52:27 am »
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With regard to hearing an angle or demon i've never really known if you hear them outloud or if its just in your head.  Sort of a telekenisis (sp) type thing I figure.

I think you mean "telepathy"?  Telekinesis is the ability to move something without physically touching it.
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« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2012, 09:12:29 am »
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I think you mean "telepathy"?  Telekinesis is the ability to move something without physically touching it.


Tks for the catch.  I wrote it and it didn't look right but for the life of me I couldn't think of the correct term.

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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2012, 09:24:53 am »
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rumor has it that hell hounds are summoned for specific reasons. 1) you sold your soul to the underworld and your contract is up (you served your purpose) 2) you are about to die and they want to get to your soul before who ever or what ever you pray to can get to you first 3) the underworld could be in need of some souls right then and not enough dead have come through that day.

 
Do you have a source for this? All sounds like an episode of Supernatural to me.

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