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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2012, 12:33:02 pm »
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My general take is that it's not that long ago that people thought giant pandas were a myth. (My favorite cryptozoology story ever.) The world is a weird and wonderful place, and there's still a bunch of places (the ocean especially, but other places too) where we don't know everything.

There's also the existence of stuff that doesn't have an existence on the physical plane, but can act on it, or alongside it. (If there's truth to unicorns, mermaids, hell hounds, etc. that's where I think they'd fit.)

 
im talking more on the physical world. iv seen some video evidence that mermaids exist. the video looks more real because of the smallest details. i can't find the video now tho but the fingers and arms were a little too long to be a humans, the hands were not used at all swimming, the tail moved more naturally than you would see a person wearing a costume. not much else could be seen in the video because it was moving away but the water did have kind of a green cloudy murkiness to it
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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2012, 12:35:24 pm »
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My general take is that it's not that long ago that people thought giant pandas were a myth. (My favorite cryptozoology story ever.) The world is a weird and wonderful place, and there's still a bunch of places (the ocean especially, but other places too) where we don't know everything.

There's also the existence of stuff that doesn't have an existence on the physical plane, but can act on it, or alongside it. (If there's truth to unicorns, mermaids, hell hounds, etc. that's where I think they'd fit.)

 
i have seen some light evidence on stuff like hell hounds but its really hit and miss. mostly artist renditions but iv seen a few photographs, heard stories, and heard an audio clip of one. it sounded strange
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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2012, 02:11:31 pm »
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you could do big foot research in your spare time. my best friends mother does paranormal research and combats evil entities (for a small fee) in her spare time. she is a medium or something in that nature. i personally would like to do paranormal research but id take another level.

 
I do do paranormal investigations in my spare time! And I am about as sensitive as a brick. :D:

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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2012, 02:19:07 pm »
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I do do paranormal investigations in my spare time! And I am about as sensitive as a brick. :D:

 
idk if im sensitive but sometimes i get this really high pitch whine inside my head, it sounds like the first sound a regular (non hd or flat screen)TV makes. only there will be no tv on.
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« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2012, 02:30:33 pm »
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i have seen some light evidence on stuff like hell hounds but its really hit and miss. mostly artist renditions but iv seen a few photographs, heard stories, and heard an audio clip of one. it sounded strange


I think some things are here then not here.  Think of things like the Mothman or the Jersey Devil in New Jersey.  

I once had a very interesting discussion which pertained to the concept that all time is at once and stacked like a deck of cards next to or upon each other.  At times it might be possible to have two or more alternate realilities align to the point where events on one are displayed upon the other.  Sort of a deju vu sensation or a ghost like presentation.

Other things are fable or legend.  It's like Virginia has an area of swamp known as the Dismal Swamp down near the Norht Carolina border.  One of the legends that persists there is of a spiked dinosaur (Stegasaurs? is what i've seen suggested) that lives in the deep swamp.  This is also part of the area that holds the ghost ships that sails up the river and is an omen of misfortune to all who see it.

Myself i've never had the urge to try and go exploring there.  It's a place that is supposed to live up to its name is all I know for sure.

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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2012, 02:39:01 pm »
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I think some things are here then not here.  Think of things like the Mothman or the Jersey Devil in New Jersey.  

I once had a very interesting discussion which pertained to the concept that all time is at once and stacked like a deck of cards next to or upon each other.  At times it might be possible to have two or more alternate realilities align to the point where events on one are displayed upon the other.  Sort of a deju vu sensation or a ghost like presentation.

Other things are fable or legend.  It's like Virginia has an area of swamp known as the Dismal Swamp down near the Norht Carolina border.  One of the legends that persists there is of a spiked dinosaur (Stegasaurs? is what i've seen suggested) that lives in the deep swamp.  This is also part of the area that holds the ghost ships that sails up the river and is an omen of misfortune to all who see it.

Myself i've never had the urge to try and go exploring there.  It's a place that is supposed to live up to its name is all I know for sure.

 
nothing like that is where im at. the most thats out in the pacific north west is maybe big foot but i doubt he's here. iv seen evidence of the slenderman. he might be real. and if he is he might be a demon, an alien or and inter-dimensional being. what his purpose is i don't know, and if he's real i would not want to pursue him.

i know what i wanted to do for the paranormal research is dangerous and border line stupid but its the only way i know how to contact them.
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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2012, 03:03:47 pm »
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iv seen evidence of the slenderman.

Who is the slenderman?

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i know what i wanted to do for the paranormal research is dangerous and border line stupid but its the only way i know how to contact them.

 And what is that, exactly?

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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2012, 03:07:03 pm »
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nothing like that is where im at. the most thats out in the pacific north west is maybe big foot but i doubt he's here. iv seen evidence of the slenderman. he might be real. and if he is he might be a demon, an alien or and inter-dimensional being. what his purpose is i don't know, and if he's real i would not want to pursue him.

i know what i wanted to do for the paranormal research is dangerous and border line stupid but its the only way i know how to contact them.


I though the Wendigo (sp) was also associated to Washington State (well the whole Northwestern part of the US) as well as the Canadian Northwest?  I though the Thunder Bird also has a presence in the Native American nations of that region.

I think for me the term paranormal reseach adds to the confusion.  Paranormal to me is ghost / spectre's / revanants, or perhaps non-human entities that mimick human actions or lives.

The search for cryptids or cryptozoology is not paranormal.

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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2012, 03:10:34 pm »
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Who is the slenderman?


 And what is that, exactly?

 
slenderman is considered by most a creepypasta (made up bs basicly). sometimes tho these tails and lies hold a kernel of truth. its hard to explain but here's a site that does explain some.

http://www.mythicalcreaturesguide.com/page/Slender+Man

if you look somewhere else on the web, theres like a video that shows stories of him from europe where he has a different name, wearing different suits or even armor. in one or 2 famous paintings he is disguised as a corpse but when a special light goes over it, it reveals his true form.

now for the paranormal thing:

basicly what i was thinking tho is just sitting in on what people who follow the occult do since they do that. i am unsure if i would be in danger since the non-occultists that would be recording their stuff wouldn't be contacting the entity. i just recently got into celtic paganism and have no desire to actually summon anything. the most i want to learn is stuff like candle rituals. you know stuff thats safe. anywho its just an idea
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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2012, 03:14:46 pm »
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I though the Wendigo (sp) was also associated to Washington State (well the whole Northwestern part of the US) as well as the Canadian Northwest?  I though the Thunder Bird also has a presence in the Native American nations of that region.

I think for me the term paranormal reseach adds to the confusion.  Paranormal to me is ghost / spectre's / revanants, or perhaps non-human entities that mimick human actions or lives.

The search for cryptids or cryptozoology is not paranormal.

 
iv heard of wendigos but in the past research showed up little to nothing. i must admit tho the artwork is brutal (brutal means awsome to me, yes i listen to metal so brutal imagery catches my eye. vince locke is my favorite artist). i had no idea they were up here, i just know from stories they are savage beings. not demons, but close to what the slender man is. kinda like an inter-dimensional being. they can warp in between realms/worlds/dimensions to stalk their pray. they are animalistic beasts that from what iv read are like a mix of man and beast.
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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2012, 03:15:37 pm »
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I though the Wendigo (sp) was also associated to Washington State (well the whole Northwestern part of the US) as well as the Canadian Northwest?

The wendigo mythos is a part of Algonquin culture, so it would technically be wherever those people are. Generally I think that is more in the central or eastern part of Canada. Northwest (depending on what we're calling the Northwest) or West coast is a different culture group, and I don't think they have the wendigo, in that form, out there. Morag might know more though, since she lives out there.

Recognized within Ojibwe culture (not sure if it's pan-Algonquin, though) is the Sabe or Kitch-Sabe, which is Bigfoot. However, they are not considered evil like the wendigo are. The sabe is one of the animals who are a part of the seven sacred teachings (with sabe teaching honesty).
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« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2012, 03:24:30 pm »
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The wendigo mythos is a part of Algonquin culture, so it would technically be wherever those people are. Generally I think that is more in the central or eastern part of Canada. Northwest (depending on what we're calling the Northwest) or West coast is a different culture group, and I don't think they have the wendigo, in that form, out there. Morag might know more though, since she lives out there.

Recognized within Ojibwe culture (not sure if it's pan-Algonquin, though) is the Sabe or Kitch-Sabe, which is Bigfoot. However, they are not considered evil like the wendigo are. The sabe is one of the animals who are a part of the seven sacred teachings (with sabe teaching honesty).

 
i live in washington state. i hear of the big foot rumor but i doubt he would be out here. atleast in western washington. maybe eastern.
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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2012, 07:11:41 pm »
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I think for me the term paranormal reseach adds to the confusion.  Paranormal to me is ghost / spectre's / revanants, or perhaps non-human entities that mimick human actions or lives.

The search for cryptids or cryptozoology is not paranormal.

 
Nevertheless, the forum description for this forum (Paranormal Phenomena) includes cryptozoology, and the stated topic of this thread covers everything from classic mythical creatures like centaurs and mermaids, to the non-corporeal and discorporate beings that are more usually associated with paranormal research, to cryptids.

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Re: creature myths, the true fraud and debateable
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2012, 07:26:38 pm »
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Nevertheless, the forum description for this forum (Paranormal Phenomena) includes cryptozoology, and the stated topic of this thread covers everything from classic mythical creatures like centaurs and mermaids, to the non-corporeal and discorporate beings that are more usually associated with paranormal research, to cryptids.

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i am interested in all aspects really but if i can see it, summon it (well i wouldn't but if i knew someone who's field was summoning things then they would), hear it or something of that nature id love to know as much as i can. i do have doubts about some myth creatures such as centaurs. i do not doubt fairy stuff tho. im not saying i own any of the statues or anything but i hear stuff about them. for looking the way they do i and still messing with people i want nothing to do with them. i have alot of friends that know them and love them but i avoid them at all costs. id rather brawl a ice giant (thor reference) than live in the same building as one >.<

i remember seeing an image of something really strange. i have no idea what the creature was but it had like the body of a fish and this really really large head. like a horse/dragon head. it was dried up and dead but someone posted the pic online. i could try to find it but idk what it was. looked kinda vicious but funny
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« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2012, 09:54:31 pm »
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Nevertheless, the forum description for this forum (Paranormal Phenomena) includes cryptozoology, and the stated topic of this thread covers everything from classic mythical creatures like centaurs and mermaids, to the non-corporeal and discorporate beings that are more usually associated with paranormal research, to cryptids.

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I understand that but it doesn't change the prevailing understanding that cryptozoology and cryptids generally are not placed beneath the category of paranormal but psuedoscience.  That placement appearing to be based upon the typical non-scientific approach used to prove their existence or possibility of having once existed.  With some change to procedure the arguments of an existence of said creature could be argued within the scientific or zoological community.

But all that aside as I stated FOR ME the term paranormal reseach simply adds to the confusion when its expanded to include cryptozoology and cryptids.  But it is my opinon and the way I define the term and is now known to anyone who reads the thread.

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