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Aliens.
« on: July 04, 2011, 06:56:08 pm »
So, what's your take on extraterrestrials? Do you believe in them or not? Why or why not?

Yes, I do believe in aliens. I don't, however, necessarily believe that they're more advanced than we are. And I definitely do not hold any weight to the theories that they built the pyramids or abduct us for anal probing. Not only is that fairly selfish of the human race, but it's denigrating to ancient cultures. ...I'd go on, but I have enough rants about this posted all over the place. I don't need another. :D

So, to answer my question: Yep. They're out there. Do I think they have flying saucers or are "little green men"? No. Do I even think they live on a planet like we do? Probably not. They probably live on a gas giant or in the middle of a sun somewhere. I think they exist, I just don't think that we have met them nor will we.
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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2011, 07:45:41 pm »
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So, what's your take on extraterrestrials? Do you believe in them or not? Why or why not?

 
I believe the universe is very, very big place, and life probably is stranger and more magnificent than we can imagine. Perhaps there is some sort of life out there. However, I think we're unlikely to meet up with anything in our lifetime, so... aliens! Maybe! Not so important, though. Too much shit to deal with in my own species.
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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2011, 07:56:22 pm »
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So, what's your take on extraterrestrials? Do you believe in them or not? Why or why not?

 
I do believe that there is life in the universe beyond our little planet.  The universe is a fairly large piece of real estate and I don't think it's a far stretch of the imagination that somewhere in that vastness, other life forms exist. I find the thought that we might be the only planet with life in all those millions of galaxies to be, well, downright depressing.  To quote Sagan, "If we are alone in the Universe, it sure seems like an awful waste of space."

What I don't believe are the images presented in pop culture - aliens as conquerors, colonizers, invaders, or kidnappers.  Nor do I necessarily think that alien life is going to be recognizable as a humanoid form...  or that we will necessarily have the capacity to meaningfully communicate with or understand it.  I'm not sure that we will even recognize alien life as 'life' if we stumble across it.

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And I definitely do not hold any weight to the theories that they built the pyramids or abduct us for anal probing. Not only is that fairly selfish of the human race, but it's denigrating to ancient cultures.


This.  I could go on the same rant here, but I won't.  *sits on hands*
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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2011, 08:32:54 pm »
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So, what's your take on extraterrestrials? Do you believe in them or not? Why or why not?

Yes, I do believe in aliens. I don't, however, necessarily believe that they're more advanced than we are. And I definitely do not hold any weight to the theories that they built the pyramids or abduct us for anal probing. Not only is that fairly selfish of the human race, but it's denigrating to ancient cultures. ...I'd go on, but I have enough rants about this posted all over the place. I don't need another. :D

So, to answer my question: Yep. They're out there. Do I think they have flying saucers or are "little green men"? No. Do I even think they live on a planet like we do? Probably not. They probably live on a gas giant or in the middle of a sun somewhere. I think they exist, I just don't think that we have met them nor will we.

 
I think that there's life out there. I don't think that we'll ever see it or it see us. We can only see to a certain extent out into the universe. That's a pin head to the rest of space. Who knows what's out there and unless the aliens can pinch space and time...we're probably not going to see them.

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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2011, 05:21:19 am »
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I think that there's life out there. I don't think that we'll ever see it or it see us. We can only see to a certain extent out into the universe. That's a pin head to the rest of space. Who knows what's out there and unless the aliens can pinch space and time...we're probably not going to see them.

 
I believe there is life that is not from this planet, in my opinion, I believe the universe is full of life, and that they are a part of the circle created by the god and goddess.

We may not have to capacity to rationalize the way they truly fit in the scheme of things, they are life and a part of nature just as we are life and a part of nature, and they share the same energy we do.

I ask this; It is our arrogance and egocentrism that causes us to be astounded, perplexed or even unsettled when we discover something new about our world or the universe we live in?
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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2011, 11:38:09 am »
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I ask this; It is our arrogance and egocentrism that causes us to be astounded, perplexed or even unsettled when we discover something new about our world or the universe we live in?

 
I can understand all of those emotional reactions. Astounded, because it's something new we don't know about and it seems really amazing/awe inspiring; perplexed because the universe is a confusing place given our current level of knowledge and experience; and unsettled because new discoveries can often overturn the very way we see the world. Take... germ theory, for example. Or a heliocentric solar system. Neither of those would have been figured out without science because to lay people, invisible disease-causing critters make as much sense as the fact that our earth, which seems to be staying still, is orbiting the sun, which appears to be moving. What if tomorrow we discovered definite proof of intelligent life originating beyond planet Earth? That'd be pretty astounding, perplexing, and unsettling.
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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #6 on: July 05, 2011, 12:22:01 pm »
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It is our arrogance and egocentrism that causes us to be astounded, perplexed or even unsettled when we discover something new about our world or the universe we live in?

 
I don't think arrogance or ego-centrism have anything to do with it.  Our brains have a finite ability to imagine every possible alternative to reality as we know it.  There probably isn't a person on the planet who would not be in some way astounded, perplexed or unsettled given the right clash between what they perceive the universe to be and what the universe actually is.

Frankly, I'd be more worried about humans on the whole if they weren't astounded, perplexed, confused, amazed, unsettled, rattled, etc by new discoveries.  To react otherwise would suggest that we being apathetic to the universe around us.  :)
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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2011, 01:40:09 pm »
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I believe there is life that is not from this planet, in my opinion, I believe the universe is full of life, and that they are a part of the circle created by the god and goddess.

We may not have to capacity to rationalize the way they truly fit in the scheme of things, they are life and a part of nature just as we are life and a part of nature, and they share the same energy we do.

I ask this; It is our arrogance and egocentrism that causes us to be astounded, perplexed or even unsettled when we discover something new about our world or the universe we live in?

 
Oh, I believe there is life that is not from this planet too. Just not the big headed aliens the media puts out. :)

I think that it's part ego centrism and that our brains have a hard time coping. Some people can and others don't want anything to do with it because it will rip the roots out of everything they believe.

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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2011, 02:38:16 pm »
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What if tomorrow we discovered definite proof of intelligent life originating beyond planet Earth? That'd be pretty astounding, perplexing, and unsettling.

 
Indeed it would.

I submit from my initial supposition that people (not everyone) assume that we are it, probably because it removes them from their comfort zone, or maybe they just refuse to accept any other possibility because of their religion.  

That in of itself is arrogant and egocentric.  People believed the world was flat in the past because someone else told them, turns out its not.  But in their arrogance and egocentrism they could not accept that it was round when first proposed, that was insane and assenine.

Largely, I believe the human race is arrogant, egocentric and assuming, which limits our scope of view and potential, and that is a shame.  I also believe their is no room for that kind of state of mind in mystical Paganism, the christian have the monopoly on that mentality.  Just my opinion.
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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2011, 08:38:03 pm »
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So, what's your take on extraterrestrials? Do you believe in them or not? Why or why not?

 
To me, believing in intelligent extraterrestrial life is like believing in the postman.

Which is to say, to me it is obvious aliens exist.

I personally believe they have some interest in us, though whether it's scientists studying lab rats type interest or frat boys punkin' the earthlings, I have no idea.

Beyond that, I hold no beliefs about them. Only ideas.
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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2011, 01:45:09 am »
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So, what's your take on extraterrestrials? Do you believe in them or not? Why or why not?

I wouldn't be all that surprised if there's alien life out there.  I mean, the universe is pretty freakin' huge for it to just hold our species.  

One of the things I'm curious about is whether the universe is heavily populated or sparsely?

I'm also not convinced that, if there are aliens, they're more advanced than us.  You'd think they would have found us by now if they were, than again, the universe is huge so who knows.
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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2011, 01:58:22 am »
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So, what's your take on extraterrestrials? Do you believe in them or not? Why or why not?


I am positive that, somewhere out there, there is something equivalent to an alien lichen or amoeba out there, maybe even more advanced forms of life including sentient. However, I do not believe that if there are sentient advanced life forms out there that they're advanced enough to overcome the problems associated with faster than light travel and all the baggage and theoretical work arounds associated with it. Or that if they have, that they give a frack about visiting us, let alone probing us and screwing with our various governments etc.

I also think it's bunk to claim aliens are involved in our history. At. All.

There is an excellent text called Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries: Science and Pseudoscience in Archeology by Kenneth L. Feeder that I highly recommend anyone interested in history or science on any level read. It addresses everything from supposed ancient international  ogam writing, to ancient astronauts and pyramid building. I was originally required to read it as part of an anthropology/archeology course.

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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2011, 08:19:14 am »
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I believe the universe is very, very big place, and life probably is stranger and more magnificent than we can imagine. Perhaps there is some sort of life out there. However, I think we're unlikely to meet up with anything in our lifetime, so... aliens! Maybe! Not so important, though. Too much shit to deal with in my own species.

I agree. The universe is huge. Our galaxy alone probably has 200-400 billion stars. Given the rate we are finding planets, it would not surprise me if 15-25% of those stars have planets. So I'd say the chances that there is life elsewhere in our galaxy is high. And there are estimated to be around 150 billion galaxies in the observable universe, so the chance that there is not life somewhere else in the observable universe is pretty low.

However, I don't expect to be visited by aliens and I don't believe we ever have been visited by aliens.
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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2011, 12:13:49 pm »
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So, what's your take on extraterrestrials? Do you believe in them or not? Why or why not?

 
I feel the need to quote Douglas Adams, here: "Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."

That is to say, the universe is so vast, and that vastness full of stars and planets, that it's incredibly improbable that humanity is the only sentient life that has ever existed.  So yes, logically, there has to be aliens out there somewhere.  The more interesting question is whether we will ever encounter them, which is also highly improbable, but at least not outside the realm of possibility.

I don't think there are aliens abducting people, or messing with our governments, because, really, if there's an alien race advanced enough to reach Earth, why would they bother?  Well, abducting people to study them, maybe, but I don't see why they'd care about our governments.  Besides, if there are alien spaceships in our solar system, I think we would have noticed by now (unless these hypothetical aliens have solved the problem of faster-than-light travel, they'd have to be in a generation ship, and that would have to be big, big enough to be noticed, I'd think).

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Re: Aliens.
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2011, 03:47:01 pm »
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So, what's your take on extraterrestrials? Do you believe in them or not? Why or why not?


Yes I do beilive in other life on other planets (aliens) Our universe is so big, there has to be other life out there. I always had a though what if they were more advanced then us. What if in the year 1600 on earth they were living as we live now? that would mean they would be way more advanced. I always had that thought. But yes It is very possible for other life to be out there :)
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