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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2013, 05:47:39 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

I started out agnostic then became a (Llewellyn brand, do it yourself) Wiccan because the balance of a God and Goddess really appealed to me.  I would just pray to them as that, not as named deities.  Never felt like my prayers were answered, though.  Eventually I moved to calling on named deities, all the while still being a soft polytheist.  Hekate was the one I approached first.  I seemed to connect a little with her, sense her somewhat during ritual,  but then Apollo came into my life, and really made his presence known - he solidified my belief that the gods are indeed real!  So I switched to a Hellenic path and hard polytheism, and that's where I still am today.
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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2013, 06:49:58 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

 
Oh lawdy.

Righto, raised Church of England Christian. Finally realised that no matter how much I wanted to belong to something, it definitely wasn't going to be Christianity when I was 11/12.
Thought I was an atheist but looking back I was really agonist until I was 13. Started getting interested in shamanism then but more from an academic (can I even use that word for something when I was that age?) point rather than actually practising it. (Although I do use some of the things I learnt in my practise now and I'm starting to read about it again. )
Then when I was 15 I discovered Wicca in the mind, body and spirit section of Waterstones so decided to become one. I'm talking do-it-yourself out of a book neo-wicca. (But no SRW!)
Yeah, I tried for a year before I realised I didn't really believe in it. But I really got into herbalism and into witchcraft (not religious) so I've just bumbled along for the past 5 years.
The gods exist (hard polytheist here) but I don't have a relationship with any of them. I'll occasionally make a general offering to whatever gods might be listening but I don't do it regularly. *
I'm more interested in the spirits of the land. (Don't really know how to explain it so I'm not going to bother. )

But yeah, I just bumble along doing my magic (which is part of all my life not just for spells ) and my herbalism.

As for my actual beliefs? They haven't really changed. I've just been able to figure them out better and sort of be able to express them.
The only major change I've had in my core beliefs, morals and ethics is my veganism. Which started out when I was 15 and I got interested in neo-wicca. It was because of "Harm none" that got me really thinking about my diet and then one thing led to another and I went vegetarian. And then over the years I've gone vegan and I've done a load of other changes too.
But while being vegan is part of the core of me, it doesn't have anything to do with my religious beliefs.


Anyway, I don't really know what I am, I just call myself a pagan witch if people really press me for an answer.

* I think part of that comes from my avoidant personality disorder, depression and stuff so I think "why on earth would a god want to bother with me?!" which means I get extremely worked up and self-concious the moment I start thinking about doing anything to do with deity. I just hope that if any are bothering to look my way, they don't get offended and realise that it's my own inadequacies and I'm not trying to be disrespectful by trying to fly under their radar. If, for some crazy reason, one decides to thwap me, I'll try my best. Otherwise, I'll just bumble along.

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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2013, 09:10:55 am »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

 
For me, i was brought up in a relatively lax Methodist household. I can remember going to Sunday School until i was 6, and asking questions that frustrated my teachers even then. when my parents divorced when i was 6, we went to live in a new house. My mom was working a lot, 2 jobs, trying to make ends meet, and we were left to our own devices for a lot of the time. I found a book on the egyption gods and read through that. i can remember, even at the age of 7, i was drawn to Bast and Thoth ( as i knew him as then)

I didn't really understand that i could choose to follow different gods, and, didn't pay much heed to anything in particular up until i was at senior school. I was about 12 and got into the Born again christian scene,  joining the school club and so on. I can't really remember the 3 months i was into that, but i was a proper bible thumper for a while, then i got another thwap from someone and told to "learn more!" So i took a step back and read around the history of the church and christianity, it opened my eyes a lot and i started asking questions, a lot of awkward questions to the leader of the group (questions like, in a time when being unmarried was something to be noted, why was it not noted that jesus was unmarried? If Mary remained a Virgin, how was Jesus bloodline listed through his father's (Joseph's) line? also why is there mention of Jesus' siblings in some (gnostic) gospels?)
I got kicked out of the group for causing trouble.

From there i went on to Uni and dabbled in fluffy paganism, with no real direction, but always with the shadows of a pair of gods watching me and keeping me safe.

I kept looking around, every once in a while i would try and work out my path. Then, about 3 years back now, i realised that, without even knowing it, the gods that i had been looking at when i was 7 were the ones watching me. Bast claimed me, with her came Djhwty and shortly after that Inpw.

I don't perform rituals for them, well not often. I do sometimes make offerings. the last offering i made was some of the fur from Stanley, our cat who had been the one that bast came to me through 3 years ago. he died recently with a thrombosis on his spinal cord, so i offered some of his fur, and that night dreamed of him in her temple being fussed by her as she showed me that he was loved.
the next morning i did another offering to her, as a thank you, mint chocolate (she loves that)  and looked out of my window to find half a dozen of the neighbourhood cats sitting on the driveway watching me.

so, although i have bounced around different beliefs, i have always had Bast and Djhwty watching me, even if i didn't know it.

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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2013, 07:26:32 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?


Not that much changed per se, but there's a constant - sometimes faster, sometimes slower - development of one thing leading to another, taking a sideways turn to somewhere else, picking up needful things, getting back on track, going off on another tangent and so forth. Continuous learning process on my way to... hopefully my Will's fruition.

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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2013, 08:48:11 pm »
Quote from: Kimberly;95312
So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

 
Oh gods, where do I begin

I'll just start when I became actively Pagan

Wicca, tried to get into the Lord/Lady-God/Goddess thing, really couldn't

Drifted towards Heathenry because I had this "big brother" with a really big hammer, but never seemed to click

Read about the Second Battle of Moytura and something clicked - got introduced to Brighid by Hammer-boy - ya they DO talk to each other, few years after that he moved out because I was firmly on an Irish-Gaelic path and Oghma moved in

I still do look to some of the Norse pantheon, including Thor, but primarily look to the Tuatha de Dannan, with more emphasis on Brighid and Oghma, who I say are Patrons, but are more like big sibs - let me know when I'm about to make big mistakes or whop me when I do make them, nudge me from time to time, act as inspirations or shoulders when I need that, but mainly let me forge my own trail

So my views have changed over the last 20+ years.

Will they change in the future? I dunno, the cards get really foggy about that.

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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2013, 06:38:11 am »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

 
Oh yes, yes they have changed.
I was raised by my parents without a religion, their opinion was that I had to be free from indoctrination so I could choose whatever I want, whatever draws my interest.

I'm really happy about that.
Since I was a kid I've had paranormal abilities. I knew things before they happened, I could see entities in the room. So I've always known there was more in life. When I was like 17 or so my abilities grew and I wanted to give it shape in my life, so I read a lot of esoteric books, I came across one about modern witchcraft and I felt a connection with it immediately. I became a witch and I've felt satisfied with it (my parents were really okay with it. I was not connected with Gods/Goddesses, only with nature). I knew no one who was a witch, so the practice was hard for me and it faded away.
In a hard moment of my life I met christian people and the prayed for my situation, I experienced God and felt lifted up out of the mess. So I became a christian, I got indoctrinated in church really bad. I thought that could never happen to me, I went to church every week and saw those people on other days as well, that made me go into the christian flow, I forgot how to think for myself and I lost a lot of myself at that time, I became just like them, I lost my own identity. Then I got the flu and was ill for like three weeks, I stayed at home and after two weeks I started to question my faith because I felt something was missing in my life.
Then I stopped going to the church. I got married with a fantastic man (he dropped his christian belief as well).
I missed the feminine side of God (I've found it in the bible as Sophia), I started reading esoteric books again and found a deep connection with The Edda, the Norse pantheon.
And that is how I went back to paganism and witchcraft, but in a deeper way then before. I feel connected with Seidr, Asatru, Druïdism and Wicca as well.
I started working with my (new) beliefs and made runes, started reading tarot, started working with herbs etcetera.
My psychic abilities came back, I have a lot of entities in my new home (nice ones).

So at first I was a nature witch without deities, then I became follower of the christian God (and Christ), now I am in connection with a couple of deities of the Norse panteon and with spirit animals.

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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2013, 09:17:31 am »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

 
"Beliefs" don't really play a big part in anything I do, I think it's more of a Christian concept that one has to believe a certain way to follow a deity.

I don't exactly believe in the gods as actual beings, as I think they are complex symbols humans have created to relate to the ultimately unknowable divine power. I have my preferred gods/symbolism, but I don't worry too much about believing in those gods as real beings.

About following actual gods, the first deity I was drawn to as a pagan was Aphrodite, but over the years I have also become interested in Isis, Hera, and Hathor. I still honour all of them, probably Isis the most, but there is so much overlap between them, I think of them more as different manifestations of the same divine principle rather than separate entities. Maybe that counts as a belief, although I wouldn't say I subscribe rigidly to any specific way of thinking. I try to be open to various possibilities.

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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2013, 12:26:57 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

 
Yes, I've changed and grown over time.  :)  

My parents weren't religious, but my great-aunt (who raised my dad, and took on the role of grandmother in our family) was a southern Baptist who was very religious.  She didn't exactly force it on us or anything, but she attributed everything good in her life to God, and everything bad to the Devil.  We would go down to Virginia to visit extended family every spring, and I remember going to church and feeling hugely out of place... I was always told that I had to believe in this, this, and this; there was no other option, no debate.  My questions went unanswered or were always redirected to someone else, who redirected it to someone else, etc.  As I got older, and took a solid interest in actually reading and understanding religions, I came to the opinion that Christianity, for me, felt like one big hypocritical, anti-feminist, ignorant religion in that it suppressed individualism (and females in general), insisted that theirs was the only "true" way, and encouraged hate toward all those who were different.  Yeah... not the kind of thing I wanted in my life.  

So then I found Wicca.  In the beginning, I was attracted to witchcraft as an art rather than a religion, and was all for it, though I didn't openly practice out of respect to my mother (who requested that I not do it in her home).  She may not have forced a religion on me, but she was uncomfortable with paganism in general.  I felt super repressed at that time and went through a bit of what I thought was an atheist stage, bouncing back and forth between whether god exists or didn't, what I really believed, where I fit in, etc.  That continued through my entire angsty teenager stage, and didn't really resolve itself until I was about 20, 21 years old.  

But I always came back to Wicca - not so much as a religion, but more for the reverence and connection to nature.  I did more research, started establishing a connection to the elements, and began to learn to "let go" of all the things I couldn't control, and ended up much happier for it.  Through my connection with nature, I finally came to the conclusion that deity was real, just not in the Christian perspective, and I started doing more research on mythology, but rarely ever got past Greek and Egyptian.  I've always been interested and fascinated with those two, even when I was just a kid, and before it was required reading at school (at least in part for Greek mythology).  

I don't have matron/patron deities at the moment, though I do honor a couple goddesses that have approached me over time, and I do honor female and male aspects of the divine as a whole during ritual and sabbats.  I've always had a fascination with herbs and gardening, but never had a real opportunity to grow one until recently - only to discover that I'd have to eliminate a lot of the key herbs I wanted to work with due to health complications (I'm an epileptic).  I find myself doing a lot more in the way of kitchen witchery than anything else, with few actual tools.  At this point in my practice, I'm evaluating everything, cutting out all the "fluff" and establishing my own personal routines and practices.  I found that up until now, I had relied largely on others' experiences and recommendations rather than following my own intuition, and I am now actively changing that.

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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2013, 08:17:35 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)


Everything old is new again.

I was raised Catholic, yet I grew up on Mythology, Science Fiction, Fantasy, Comics, and the Paranormal. I was primed to deal with the Fantastic, and I wanted Super Powers.

My Village Library had a whole section on 60s and 70s "alternative" topics such as Dream Analysis, Lucid Dreaming, Hypnosis and Self-Hypnosis, Lateral Thinking, etc. I activly practiced these things as a kid, and would experiment with Altered States. I was a little Psycho-naut.

When my Father died suddenly of a heart attack, I rejected Christianity and the Church. I became an angry young man, an aggressive Agnostic, and secular.

I fell in with a bad crowd (drinking, drugging, fighting). I decided to take Karate for self-defense, and a minor miracle happened: I had a talent for Martial Arts. I felt I had been given a gift, and this brought me back to the Idea of God, or at least Providence.

I studied Martial Arts and this led me into Eastern Thought, especially Zen and Taoism. I stiudied these along side Science, still with a strong secular element (a good book from this period for me is "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra).  

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"Science does not need mysticism and mysticism does not need science, but man needs both."
-Fritjof Capra, "The Tao of Physics."

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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2013, 08:51:18 pm »
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Everything old is new again.

I was raised Catholic, yet I grew up on Mythology, Science Fiction, Fantasy, Comics, and the Paranormal. I was primed to deal with the Fantastic, and I wanted Super Powers.

My Village Library had a whole section on 60s and 70s "alternative" topics such as Dream Analysis, Lucid Dreaming, Hypnosis and Self-Hypnosis, Lateral Thinking, etc. I activly practiced these things as a kid, and would experiment with Altered States. I was a little Psycho-naut.

When my Father died suddenly of a heart attack, I rejected Christianity and the Church. I became an angry young man, an aggressive Agnostic, and secular.

I fell in with a bad crowd (drinking, drugging, fighting). I decided to take Karate for self-defense, and a minor miracle happened: I had a talent for Martial Arts. I felt I had been given a gift, and this brought me back to the Idea of God, or at least Providence.

I studied Martial Arts and this led me into Eastern Thought, especially Zen and Taoism. I studied these along side Science, still with a strong secular element (a good book from this period for me is "The Tao of Physics" by Fritjof Capra).  

(continued)


(continued)

Due to illness, I had to suspend my Martial arts practice. My Zen practice and Eastern methods fell off after a while, and I reverted back to Secularism for some time. Yet I still carried the alternative mind-set of my youth, and elements of Eastern Thought and a Scientific outlook.

I then suffered a series of spritual crisises very similar to what St.John of the Cross described as "The Dark Night of the Soul". I tried to answer it briefly with a return to Catholicism, but found that mainstream Christianity did not fully jibe with my developing view of Pagan-influenced Pantheism.

I had for most of my life dabbled in the Paranormal and related topics. I had, infact, done a number of Magickal operations over the course of my life. And, I had never fully left my contact with the Gods and Goddesses. they had always been there for me since I was a child, especially Athena, who I related to mainly through my academic work (I was for a long time a self-described professional student.)

Now, after my Crisis, my relationship with Athena blossomed and my spiritual view of the World became more and more in line with a Pagan Divine Immanence, not some cold, remote Deity seperate from the so-called mundane world.

Over time, Athena gave me Her blessing to move on to other Deities. I am still in touch with Her, but my spiritual work began to focus more and more on the Celtic Deities, esp the Welsh.

I started as a soft polytheist, recognizing Gods and Goddesses as Thought-Forms, Projections, and Archetypes in the Jungian sense. Yet, my experience over time has shown that these Deities seem to have some sort of reality and force to them, so I have moved more to the middle on polytheism.

My magickal practices are designed for my own spiritual development and to put me in tune with the Divine all around me.

I started with the Gods and Goddesses in my Youth, and over time have circled back to them and the Magic inherent in the World when viewed throught the Pagan prism.

Everything old is new again.

Donal
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"Science does not need mysticism and mysticism does not need science, but man needs both."
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