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Your personal beliefs
« on: February 06, 2013, 12:11:45 pm »
So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)
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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 12:44:58 pm »
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I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)


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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 02:05:59 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?

Definitely.  I'm not now and never have been a theist, but different flavors of woo have crept in over the years, and others have been pruned away.  I began as many do with a neo-Wiccan framework and have since moved to a self-styled ritual year. I work with/acknowledge/honor hyper-local energies/entities in very small ways.

Magic is part of my "beliefs" in the same way gardening is--a skill that keeps me in touch with the aforementioned energies/entities.  Not truly a religious practice in and of itself, but a sort of rite in honor of the cycle of life, death, and rebirth.

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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 03:21:30 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

My core beliefs have never changed, but you can say a few things have and will continue to as I learn. I've always been drawn to the same deities which will never change as I've made oaths.

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« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 03:44:29 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

 
When I first became pagan I was a "worshipper" of the Lord and Lady. I use worshipper lightly because I didn't actually worshipped them, I would just mention them when I was bludgeoning someone upside the head with "The Burning Times."

I've definitely changed since becoming a Hellenist if only because I feel like I am allowed to be a bit more "human." I wasn't forced to be all "light and love" and could have a full range of emotions, even righteous anger if an incident called for it and that anger led me to a productive change.

On the flip side, I sometimes feel I miss the "wonder" I had when I was a young Neo-Wiccan smelling sweetly of cheap incense and false Celticism. Everything was so magical, from the moon to thunderstorms and seeing any kind of circle of grass or mushrooms made my heart flutter with the thought of seeing a doorway to the Sidhe.

Maybe it's a little more about age than anything else, but when I meet people my age and older who still have this; I sometimes feel a little envious.
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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 04:48:36 pm »
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On the flip side, I sometimes feel I miss the "wonder" I had when I was a young Neo-Wiccan smelling sweetly of cheap incense and false Celticism.


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« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 05:34:05 pm »
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On the flip side, I sometimes feel I miss the "wonder" I had when I was a young Neo-Wiccan smelling sweetly of cheap incense and false Celticism.

Growing up has proved to me that one doesn't need to be flakey to enjoy a little woo.  I honestly think it's most the random, enthusiastic sharing that's the real problem.  You had an experience?  Great.  Spend more time thinking about it than talking about it.

People meet me and assume I don't have an iota of woo at all, I'm so steely and practical.  But ecstatic spiritual experiences are the "why" behind my beliefs.  Without them, I'd be a just-as-happy, woo-free atheist.

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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 05:57:06 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)


Lawl, oh dear goddess, yes, they've changed. Thank goodness, too

I was originally determined to be an Odin dedicant. I didn't even like the Kemetic pantheon because I thought the Netjeru were ugly. XD I claimed I couldn't worship Bast because she was a cat goddess.

And then Bast called to me until I went half-crazy and Odin applied a boot to my ass to get me to actually listen to the call. Oh, lawl, I was a completely moronic newb then. Now I'm only a half moronic newb.

If there's anything I've learned, it's that you've got to try to listen and be open to the message, even if you don't think it's what you want to hear.

I also began my pagan journey as a hard polytheist. Now I'm somewhat closer to a soft polytheist, although I still retain a degree of hard polytheism. I also started off as a strict Recon, and now I'm more of a HIP (historically-informed polytheist). History is my base, but if I want to do eclectic woo stuff, I don't feel guilty.
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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 06:50:45 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

 
I wouldn't put "follower of a particular god" in the same category as "beliefs" at all, really.  That's allegiances, loyalties, relationships.  (I wouldn't say I changed beliefs when I broke up with an ex, so why would I say I changed beliefs if I stopped addressing a particular god?  If that makes sense.)

Aside from that, I suspect it depends on how you mean 'change'.  The stuff that I consider core stuff hasn't changed too much, but it has gotten deeper and more sophisticated over time.  I have also gone through several rounds of surface stuff trying to fit myself into systems that didn't work, so one could say that that has certainly changed.  (For example:  I no longer try to wedge myself into gender-essentialist duotheism.)
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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 07:04:53 pm »
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Aside from that, I suspect it depends on how you mean 'change'.  The stuff that I consider core stuff hasn't changed too much, but it has gotten deeper and more sophisticated over time.  I have also gone through several rounds of surface stuff trying to fit myself into systems that didn't work, so one could say that that has certainly changed.

This. My core beliefs haven't changed greatly since I started high school (in the 1970s), but finding a religion and other structure that actually works well with my beliefs required going through a number of false starts.
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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 09:22:29 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)
I would say my beliefs haven't change much since the start of my journey. Deities on the other hand have. The 4 main deities I honor now are not the ones I started with. I was trying to force things in the beginning, and learned how to back off a bit and let things work themselves out. After that I love the Gods and Goddesses I honor. I have made oaths to these deities and will always worship and honor them.
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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2013, 08:16:03 am »
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Aside from that, I suspect it depends on how you mean 'change'.  The stuff that I consider core stuff hasn't changed too much, but it has gotten deeper and more sophisticated over time.  I have also gone through several rounds of surface stuff trying to fit myself into systems that didn't work, so one could say that that has certainly changed.  (For example:  I no longer try to wedge myself into gender-essentialist duotheism.)


Echoing this as well. It's more that my understanding/knowledge/perception has changed (and continues to change) rather than anything to do with belief.

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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2013, 10:05:41 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

 
Well I started off as a Christian as I was raised in a very hardcore fundie family. So hard-core that my Dr. Seuss books got burned. Even after I left the SDA church (or more accurately - was told to leave) and embarked on a career of debauchery, I still held on to many of my Christian beliefs.

Since moving along to a "pagan" path and leaving most of they Christian views behind my personal beliefs are ever evolving. I think what I love most about being a Gwyddon is that is very supported. We, at least in my college, are encouraged to always be searching for and learning new things.

As far as deity are concerned........ sometimes I feel like they play hackey sack with my ass. But there have been very minor changes in which I honour and which I don't. Whether they give a rats ass, I am not sure.
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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2013, 02:20:25 pm »
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Lawl, oh dear goddess, yes, they've changed. Thank goodness, too

I was originally determined to be an Odin dedicant. I didn't even like the Kemetic pantheon because I thought the Netjeru were ugly. XD I claimed I couldn't worship Bast because she was a cat goddess.

And then Bast called to me until I went half-crazy and Odin applied a boot to my ass to get me to actually listen to the call. Oh, lawl, I was a completely moronic newb then. Now I'm only a half moronic newb.

If there's anything I've learned, it's that you've got to try to listen and be open to the message, even if you don't think it's what you want to hear.

I also began my pagan journey as a hard polytheist. Now I'm somewhat closer to a soft polytheist, although I still retain a degree of hard polytheism. I also started off as a strict Recon, and now I'm more of a HIP (historically-informed polytheist). History is my base, but if I want to do eclectic woo stuff, I don't feel guilty.



OMGs does this bring back memories. I was determined to be a Kemetic, got sidetracked to Asatru when Kemetism didn't want me (very long story), got my ass royally kicked over to the Celts with the admonition to look to my MAJOR bloodline and LISTEN when Someone is beating me about the head & shoulders.

This took 25 years. For the last 15 years I've been kicking and screaming that I don't WANT to be a teacher, that I SUCK at teaching, I don't even HAVE a 'tradition', it's just what I've cobbled together over the years...guess what? I have two students who think I'm the greatest thing since sliced bread.

I've decided to give up and go with the flow. Macha doesn't listen anyway and Manannan has started butting in and backs Her not me. I just can't get a break.

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Re: Your personal beliefs
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2013, 12:46:56 pm »
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So...have they changed over time?  Say you are a follower of Odin, or Brigid....were you always a follower of that God/dess?  Or had you followed a different God/dess previous?

I'm just curious for curiosity sake.  :)

 
My beliefs haven't really changed. I still believed in things from my former Christian path like punishment and reward. If you do bad then you will be punished and if you do good then you'll be rewarded. I don't believe in Reincarnation because that's a different belief structure and I don't believe in past lives. Being a Roman pagan finds that their beliefs, before Christianity came around, did believe in punishment and reward. If you did bad you were punished in very nasty ways and if you were good, then you were rewarded.

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