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Too grounded?
« on: February 21, 2021, 10:09:29 am »
I'm not sure if I'm strictly a beginner as I've been Pagan/witchy all my life. However, I've moved around a lot and lived either in rented accomodation or with others, so for one reason or another, my practise has only just recently got off the ground (ironically, considering my question!) since I was able to buy my own home, set up a permanent altar and actually start practising about 5 years ago.

I feel very strongly connected to the Earth, which fits in nicely with my Pagan/nature-based outlook. However, I often wonder if I'm too grounded. I read about practitioners who can sense energies, deities, spirits and work on other planes. They can physically feel energies coming from their crystals, sense negative energy in people and can see spirits, fairies and other beings...

I've thought long and hard about this and I know I can pick up energies from buildings, ancient stones, places, the sea, animals...and I'm pretty sure my deities have directed me and spoken to me. But, although I work with crystals, I definitely cannot feel any energy coming from them, and I have only ever seen a couple of so-far-unexplained entities in my entire life! :D

I struggle to sense energy from people too. I'm not intuitive with people at all and never pick up on the "bad vibes" etc. that others seem to notice effortlessly.

When I perform magic, I feel very comfortable with earth energies and have no trouble being and staying grounded. I often wonder why I struggle to reach those higher states that others talk of and from which they must work at grounding themselves afterwards. My magic so far has definitely been working for me, so it hasn't been much of a hinderance in that respect, but I do wonder if I should be trying to aim for something...higher.

I sometimes think that maybe that's just who I am and that it's ok. What do you think? Do you think I should take more time to work on reaching these higher planes/states etc. Or should I not worry about it? Does this question even make sense?! :D

Any and all answers will be gratefully received.


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Re: Too grounded?
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2021, 10:34:08 am »
I'm not sure if I'm strictly a beginner as I've been Pagan/witchy all my life. However, I've moved around a lot and lived either in rented accomodation or with others, so for one reason or another, my practise has only just recently got off the ground (ironically, considering my question!) since I was able to buy my own home, set up a permanent altar and actually start practising about 5 years ago.

I feel very strongly connected to the Earth, which fits in nicely with my Pagan/nature-based outlook. However, I often wonder if I'm too grounded. I read about practitioners who can sense energies, deities, spirits and work on other planes. They can physically feel energies coming from their crystals, sense negative energy in people and can see spirits, fairies and other beings...

I've thought long and hard about this and I know I can pick up energies from buildings, ancient stones, places, the sea, animals...and I'm pretty sure my deities have directed me and spoken to me. But, although I work with crystals, I definitely cannot feel any energy coming from them, and I have only ever seen a couple of so-far-unexplained entities in my entire life! :D

I struggle to sense energy from people too. I'm not intuitive with people at all and never pick up on the "bad vibes" etc. that others seem to notice effortlessly.

When I perform magic, I feel very comfortable with earth energies and have no trouble being and staying grounded. I often wonder why I struggle to reach those higher states that others talk of and from which they must work at grounding themselves afterwards. My magic so far has definitely been working for me, so it hasn't been much of a hinderance in that respect, but I do wonder if I should be trying to aim for something...higher.

I sometimes think that maybe that's just who I am and that it's ok. What do you think? Do you think I should take more time to work on reaching these higher planes/states etc. Or should I not worry about it? Does this question even make sense?! :D

Any and all answers will be gratefully received.

Put simply: don’t worry about it. If your religious/magickal practice is satisfying to you, and does what you would like it to do, then that’s all that matters.

TC has always had an unusually large share of people who are inclined to the same kind of abilities you mention  — especially communicating with deities — so while a look around may not reveal as much, in truth they’re relatively uncommon. Having a good, functioning “godphone” or being able to physically observe supernatural entities and other such talents are the exception, not the rule, and you shouldn’t feel any pressure to match them if you’re not inclined.

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Re: Too grounded?
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2021, 11:16:59 am »
Does this question even make sense?! :D

Any and all answers will be gratefully received.

It does make sense, to me at least.

You see I've only really read about these folks too:

I read about practitioners who can sense energies, deities, spirits and work on other planes. They can physically feel energies coming from their crystals, sense negative energy in people and can see spirits, fairies and other beings...

In fact, you've more experience than I do:

I know I can pick up energies from buildings, ancient stones, places, the sea, animals...and I'm pretty sure my deities have directed me and spoken to me.

I do sometimes sense and even pick up energies from other people  (very occasionally places) but I frequently don't realise it at the time.

As Castus has said, I wouldn't let it worry you too much, but if it's something you are interested in you can decide to put some energy and time into exploring the subject some more (and you can decide how much time/energy to devote).
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Re: Too grounded?
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2021, 11:36:27 am »
Put simply: don%u2019t worry about it. If your religious/magickal practice is satisfying to you, and does what you would like it to do, then that%u2019s all that matters.

Having a good, functioning %u201Cgodphone%u201D or being able to physically observe supernatural entities and other such talents are the exception, not the rule, and you shouldn%u2019t feel any pressure to match them if you wouldn%u2019t like to.

Phew! Well, that's a huge relief!

Yes, my practise does satisfy me. I haven't just read about those other skills on TC (I only joined yesterday!), but elsewhere online and in books and on TV etc. There was just always a feeling that I was missing out on something fundamental to being a Pagan or witch, and that I shouldn't be able to consider myself those things unless and until I could reach those dizzy heights.

I am more than happy doing what I'm doing but wanted to run it past a larger community of practitioners to see if it was something I needed to work on. As a solitary, it's sometimes difficult to know! :D

Thanks for your input, it was very helpful.

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Re: Too grounded?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2021, 11:46:17 am »
I am more than happy doing what I'm doing but wanted to run it past a larger community of practitioners to see if it was something I needed to work on. As a solitary, it's sometimes difficult to know! :D

Weirdly enough, being part of a bigger community was very helpful for me, to be OK with the things I wasn't very good at. Having friends with certain skills and seeing how easily it came to them was very reassuring, like - that's clearly their thing, just as it is clearly not my thing.

And it also helped clarify the things I could do, that nobody else could. Which helped.
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Re: Too grounded?
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2021, 11:50:50 am »
It does make sense, to me at least.

You see I've only really read about these folks too:

In fact, you've more experience than I do:

I do sometimes sense and even pick up energies from other people  (very occasionally places) but I frequently don't realise it at the time.

As Castus has said, I wouldn't let it worry you too much, but if it's something you are interested in you can decide to put some energy and time into exploring the subject some more (and you can decide how much time/energy to devote).

Thanks. I'm glad it makes sense! It's always good to know you're not alone :D

Yes, I've always been able to connect with ancient buildings and places, or natural places or natural phenomena...but I see that as an extension of my Earthy grounded-ness. Afterall, ancient buildings are often made from stone and stone comes from the Earth so...

As for the deity connection, they've only spoken/communicated with me directly a handful of times in the last four or five years, so it certainly isn't a regular thing. And it's more of an image that will pop into my head, or a sign from them (happened once, quite dramatically), or a vague but persistent, nagging thought in my own head that I attribute to them, rather than any actual words or information/wisdom etc., and it certainly isn't a conversation of any kind.

Even with that, I always find myself asking if it's my imagination or subconscious, rather than anything actually objective. But I'm fine with that, I think, especially now that I've asked the question and am getting the responses from you and Pure that I've had.

Thank you - I feel much less concerned about it now. It's good to know that I don't need to constantly be sensing spiritual energy all over the place in order to be a valid part of this community! :D

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Re: Too grounded?
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2021, 01:44:47 pm »
I sometimes think that maybe that's just who I am and that it's ok. What do you think? Do you think I should take more time to work on reaching these higher planes/states etc. Or should I not worry about it? Does this question even make sense?! :D

As other people have said, there's a wide range of experiences here. When I talk to people about this, I always come back to "What do you actually want to be doing/care about?" and "Some of this is natural inclination, some of it is developed skills, and it's fine to decide you don't care about developing certain skill."

On a more general level, there are the concepts of being "open headed" and "closed headed", as two points at ends of a spectrum, with a lot of variation space in between (and most people are at some point in the middle, not all the way at one end or the other.) Both ends have some thing they find easier to do or experience, but those same easy things can also have complications/stuff that's harder or more distracting that come with it.

Someone who is open-headed often has an easier time with astral work, some kinds of psychism, sensing energy in various ways (such as seeing auras, clairaudience/sentience/voyance/etc.) or with aspecting/channeling/medium ship. However, that same open-headedness may mean they find it a lot harder to be in crowds of people (so much background noise going on!), feel constantly distracted by spirits/beings/energies wanting their attention, or having trouble figuring out what's them and what isn't them.

Someone who's close-headed, on the other hand, isn't going to have those easy shifts of perception and interaction with the non-physical, but they will be much more able to be steady and stable in those complicated crowded situations with strong emotions, understand clearly what's coming from them and outside of them and react accordingly, and they're going to find it easier in general to do slow, detailed focused work on an energetic level without interruptions.

The world needs both of these, and all the spaces in between!

There are some times when specific skill might be developing. For example, I'm somewhere in the middle - I'm sensitive enough to the press of other people's energies around me that crowds often are exhausting (and when I worked in a high school - full of a large number of teenagers having lots of strong emotions regularly - I had to have a really deliberate centering and shielding practice.)

But as a priestess who works with a coven (normally in person, when we're not in a pandemic) being able to read energy fairly reliably is an important skill in some group ritual work, as is working with that energy once I know what's in the mix. I can do aspecting/channeling work well (part of some of our tradition's practices), with advance preparation, but it does not come easily to me like some people I know. 

On the other hand, I'm not super sensitive to some of that, and so some of those energy skills are things I learned over time, with practice and repetition (just like we learn other skills!) Some stuff I don't have a great consistent feel for, but I can act knowing it's there, and run with that without having a super clear sense of it myself. If I hadn't wanted to do that kind of group work, I might not have bothered with some of that learning, and done something else instead.

I also think there are tons of ways to get information from our deities - and frankly, most people are not getting deluges of info all the time. My experience is a lot more like what you describe, with periodic bits of info, but not "Oh, I had a conversation for half an hour" sorts of stuff. (I never get words: I do get images, some other kinds of sounds, and some usually not super helpful stuff in terms of interpretation, like smells.)

I still have a practice I love, I priestess and witch in ways that work for me, and it seems to be going quite well. I do believe in spending some time checking to see if I can develop skills I don't have that would be useful (again, especially because I have a coven, and am therefore working with and teaching people whose natural tendencies and skill sets aren't mine!). But I spend more time leaning into the stuff that comes easier to me, and figuring out how to use that well, what it can do, what situations it helps with.
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Re: Too grounded?
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2021, 05:32:08 pm »
I always come back to "What do you actually want to be doing/care about?" and "Some of this is natural inclination, some of it is developed skills, and it's fine to decide you don't care about developing certain skill."

On a more general level, there are the concepts of being "open headed" and "closed headed", as two points at ends of a spectrum, with a lot of variation space in between (and most people are at some point in the middle, not all the way at one end or the other.)

Someone who is open-headed often has an easier time with astral work, some kinds of psychism, sensing energy in various ways (such as seeing auras, clairaudience/sentience/voyance/etc.) or with aspecting/channeling/medium ship. However, that same open-headedness may mean they find it a lot harder to be in crowds of people (so much background noise going on!), feel constantly distracted by spirits/beings/energies wanting their attention, or having trouble figuring out what's them and what isn't them.

Someone who's close-headed, on the other hand, isn't going to have those easy shifts of perception and interaction with the non-physical, but they will be much more able to be steady and stable in those complicated crowded situations with strong emotions, understand clearly what's coming from them and outside of them and react accordingly, and they're going to find it easier in general to do slow, detailed focused work on an energetic level without interruptions.

I do believe in spending some time checking to see if I can develop skills I don't have that would be useful. But I spend more time leaning into the stuff that comes easier to me, and figuring out how to use that well, what it can do, what situations it helps with.

Thanks Jenett.

I like the terms "open-headed and closed-headed", although it might be easy to confuse them with open and closed minded, which is an entirely different thing!

I'm definitely more closed-headed (*not* closed-minded!) and certainly spend much more time doing the things that come naturally to me, that feel good to do, and that yield the results that I want.

Having said that, I think you're right about maybe trying to push that comfort zone a little by trying something that doesn't come so easily. For example, I have been putting off trying any form of divination for years (even though I have the tarot deck, the runes, the black mirror etc.). I have simply put it off and put it off because in the back of my mind I think I won't be able to do it. Perhaps this thread will inspire me to give it a try...

It's good to know that you're someone who's out there teaching others in the community but that you feel comfortable saying you're somewhere in the middle of the spectrum between the two extremes. That's very encouraging for someone like me who works completely alone and is near the beginning of their journey.

I might be more closed-headed, but I don't do well in crowds! I'm a total introvert who craves her own space. Crowds kill me! I'm not sure it's for the same reason, though :D

Also, very interesting to bring it back to "what do I actually want/care about". I have done a lot of this kind of soul searching and find my magical journal an invaluable tool with which to explore this. I will maybe give it some more thought in the light of your comments. It's an ongoing process too, as what I want/care about may change over time.

It's also good to know that certain skills can be developed with practice/time - I just assumed if I couldn't see spirits or sense energies now, then I never would!

"and they're going to find it easier in general to do slow, detailed focused work on an energetic level without interruptions." THIS IS DEFINITELY ME! :D

 

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Re: Too grounded?
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2021, 07:06:32 pm »
I'm not sure if I'm strictly a beginner as I've been Pagan/witchy all my life. However, I've moved around a lot and lived either in rented accomodation or with others, so for one reason or another,
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Re: Too grounded?
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2021, 10:23:56 pm »
I like the terms "open-headed and closed-headed", although it might be easy to confuse them with open and closed minded, which is an entirely different thing!

The terms are not original to me! They've been used in a variety of places, but the one I was thinking of when I wrote this was Diana Paxson's Trance-Portation which also has some tips on both ends of that spectrum. (The book is mostly about meditation and path-working. She also does a fantastic job on talking through options for people who are not visually focused.)

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Having said that, I think you're right about maybe trying to push that comfort zone a little by trying something that doesn't come so easily. For example, I have been putting off trying any form of divination for years (even though I have the tarot deck, the runes, the black mirror etc.). I have simply put it off and put it off because in the back of my mind I think I won't be able to do it. Perhaps this thread will inspire me to give it a try...

There are tons of approaches to divination! Most people find some tools don't work well for them, and others do, even when they're good at the ones that work. (I am totally lousy at scrying, for example, in any form.) Tarot, in particular, can be used as a tool where you're reading patterns in the cards and how you respond to them (on a symbolic level, for example) without any particular form of psychism and energy being involved.

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It's good to know that you're someone who's out there teaching others in the community but that you feel comfortable saying you're somewhere in the middle of the spectrum between the two extremes. That's very encouraging for someone like me who works completely alone and is near the beginning of their journey.

I actually tend to think that people who have a mix of skills and experiences with this stuff find it easier to teach others - the people who are way out on one end may have some really cool skills, but they have a harder time teaching things with people who don't have similar ones, because they don't get how it can work any other way. Which isn't to say they don't have other useful things to contribute. But we're back to 'need lots of skills and approaches in the mix on a community level', not just a few.
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Re: Too grounded?
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2021, 01:06:59 am »
Yes, I've always been able to connect with ancient buildings and places, or natural places or natural phenomena...but I see that as an extension of my Earthy grounded-ness. Afterall, ancient buildings are often made from stone and stone comes from the Earth so...

This sounds like a really cool ability to me, honestly. I would love to get more firmly rooted in places, to learn more about where I live and work and play! I personally have very poor direct spiritual senses 90% of the time in all elements; I have to work hard to cultivate spiritual sensitivity.

On the other hand, I have sometimes uncanny abilities with synchronicity, and an aggressive approach to my spiritual journey (particularly in the form of devotional tattoos) has earned me strong (if often cryptic) connections to certain Powers.

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This sounds like a really cool ability to me, honestly. I would love to get more firmly rooted in places, to learn more about where I live and work and play! I personally have very poor direct spiritual senses 90% of the time in all elements; I have to work hard to cultivate spiritual sensitivity.

On the other hand, I have sometimes uncanny abilities with synchronicity, and an aggressive approach to my spiritual journey (particularly in the form of devotional tattoos) has earned me strong (if often cryptic) connections to certain Powers.

We've all got our own strengths and weaknesses in spiritual practice.

It's funny but I've only recently realised this is a "thing I can do" - I always just assumed everyone could do it and didn't think anything of it!

I'd describe it as being more of an impression that I get from buildings/sites, rather than actually feeling any form of physical energy (vibrations, heat etc.).

It's a bit like the whole inanimate-objects-have-a-personality thing we discussed recently (I think it was you?). It's like being able to pick up on that personality and feel that you have a relationship with the stones/bricks/wood etc., or even just the space they enclose. It's as if they're having a silent conversation with you.

A good example would be when I went to an ancient stone circle with a friend of mine (who is also witchy). We wandered around the circle, counted the stones, chatted about the place and it's history etc. Then, we crossed the field to another cluster of huge ancient stones which were surrounded by some iron railings.

I gradually realised that something was wrong. I wasn't sensing anything from these stones at all. I even instinctively reached out and touched one of them to see if I could get anything. My friend realised what I was doing and did the same. She asked me, "Anything?", I replied, "Nope!" It turns out she couldn't get anything from them either.

The point is that I didn't realise I had been able to sense these things all along, until I was met with "silence". Going from one ancient site to another so quickly, brought that sharply into focus. I could immediately compare how the two sets of stones felt quite different: one was "alive", the other "dead" (to me and my friend on that day, at least).

You use a really good phrase: "spiritual sensitivity" - that's exactly what I've always thought I lacked! However, you saying that my being able to "commune" with the land and ancient buildings etc. is a cool ability, has made me value it much more highly - thank you!

I'm fascinated to learn more about your "aggressive approach" to your spiritual journey through your devotional tattoos - I've never heard of anything like that before.

Also, your abilities with synchronicities...? Do you have any examples? I'd love to hear about them :)


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