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Re: The Long and Winding Road
« Reply #45 on: November 23, 2011, 08:40:46 am »
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Neo-Pagan is used in several different ways. Some use it as a name for any modern Pagan religion, regardless of the religion's origins. Some only use it as a label for NEW Pagan religions developed in the last 100-200 years or so (and not to attempts to actually revive older Pagan religions). Some use it as a name for any Pagan religion practiced today (which makes no sense at all to me). Etc. Like "Paganism", however, it is an umbrella term even through their are people who consider their religion to be (a generic and/or eclectic) "Pagan" or "Neo-Pagan".



It's closest to the second option I listed.

 
Thanks Randall, I think I understand now :)

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Re: The Long and Winding Road
« Reply #46 on: November 23, 2011, 01:12:55 pm »
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Some use it as a name for any Pagan religion practiced today (which makes no sense at all to me). Etc. Like "Paganism", however, it is an umbrella term even through their are people who consider their religion to be (a generic and/or eclectic) "Pagan" or "Neo-Pagan".


See, I actually have no trouble with using "Neo-Pagan" to mean "any Pagan religion practiced today," because pretty much every Pagan religion practiced today is either new (i.e., Wicca), or a substantially different religion operating in a wildly different social context than it originally was (i.e., Reconstructionist religions).  Reconstructionist religions have their philosophical genesis in the Romantic period (coinciding with the post-Enlightenment loosening of religious strictures and the rise of nationalism), just like most other existing Paganisms today, and operate in very similar discourses of nostalgia; just because they're claiming to be based in scholarship doesn't change the fact that there is a gigantic gulf between the ancient/early medieval world of the "originals" and modern/postmodern culture, and therefore they're operating within so radically different a context that they can't be called "the same" religions as before.  Hence, "Neo-Pagan" is, I feel, perfectly appropriate: as Bob has said, they're RE-constructionist religions -- if there was something already there, they wouldn't need to be reconstructed!

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Re: The Long and Winding Road
« Reply #47 on: November 23, 2011, 05:16:18 pm »
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That's pretty much how I see it too.  I know there are people who will state emphatically that their religion is not 'neo' anything, but unless they can produce an age of majority card that shows them to be a thousand or so years old, or prove an unbroken family tradition of the same length, I will continue to consider them new.

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Re: The Long and Winding Road
« Reply #48 on: November 23, 2011, 09:11:23 pm »
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That's pretty much how I see it too.  I know there are people who will state emphatically that their religion is not 'neo' anything, but unless they can produce an age of majority card that shows them to be a thousand or so years old, or prove an unbroken family tradition of the same length, I will continue to consider them new.

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Exactly!  I actually think "Neo-Paganism" is actually a more accurate and useful term when you're talking about present-day practices, to make clear that you're NOT making misleading claims about some kind of unbroken uninterrupted continuously existing religion.  I mean, in practice, I have no trouble using either "Pagan" or "Neo-Pagan" as umbrella terms for modern practices, but "Neo-Pagan" is a better description.

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Re: The Long and Winding Road
« Reply #49 on: November 23, 2011, 09:57:03 pm »
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See, I actually have no trouble with using "Neo-Pagan" to mean "any Pagan religion practiced today," because pretty much every Pagan religion practiced today is either new (i.e., Wicca), or a substantially different religion operating in a wildly different social context than it originally was (i.e., Reconstructionist religions).

Technically, I don't have a problem with that usage as almost all modern Pagan religions are "new creations". Practically, however, "Neo-Pagan" is seemed to be used most often to refer to Earth-centered, "rural-origin" Paganism with a Northern European based Pagan religions, often Wicca-like -- so using it for religions far from that seems to confuse the many people who expect a "Neo-Pagan" religion to fit that mold.
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Re: The Long and Winding Road
« Reply #50 on: November 25, 2011, 01:15:00 am »
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I am wondering about it and asking because I can very closely identify with the information on this page and I was wondering also what that kind of Neo-Paganism on that page would be - A religion just like Wicca, Druidry, Kemeticism, or an umbrella term?

 
One thing to keep in mind about that article is that it's almost 20 years old.  That may not seem like very long, but the modern neoPagan movement is only about 60 years old (and didn't really get to the point where it could be called a "movement" until the '60s).  There've been some shifts since the article was written - particularly, there've been huge changes in how people understand neoPaganism's relationship to ancient paganisms; in 1992, the reconstructionist approach to cultural paganisms was in its infancy, and many ideas about ancient belief and practice that had been disproven in their relevant academic fields still had wide currency in Pagandom.

I don't have time to read the article closely right now, so that's a very general statement about it; I'll come back to it later.

(Also - "Eric S. Raymond"?  Randall, I'd love to know more about the provenance of that article, if you remember it.)

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