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New pagan seeking wholeness
« on: August 02, 2011, 02:26:12 am »
I am a pagan in formation. All my life I have subscribed to a prescribed set of beliefs, and now I'm trying to make my own from scratch. I feel torn apart. I am from the Catholic church, but I've grown to not believe the dogmas of the church. However, I feel a connection to the saints and the beauty of the religion. There are parts of the Bible that I resonate with, but at the same time, there are parts that are scary to me.

I'm seeking a way to take every little thing that resonates with me and make it all fit together nicely while dropping the unattractive parts. I think the tough part at this point is the strange feeling from not having a prepared set of beliefs to subscribe to. For a long time, I tried to fit in as a Catholic, but I'm not a whole Catholic. I'm not completely atheist either. I'm not totally any one religion.

How can I process the strangeness of not subscribing to one major religion?

I appreciate your input.

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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2011, 11:05:20 am »
Quote from: StarSkye;10128
I am a pagan in formation. All my life I have subscribed to a prescribed set of beliefs, and now I'm trying to make my own from scratch. I feel torn apart. I am from the Catholic church, but I've grown to not believe the dogmas of the church. However, I feel a connection to the saints and the beauty of the religion. There are parts of the Bible that I resonate with, but at the same time, there are parts that are scary to me.

I'm seeking a way to take every little thing that resonates with me and make it all fit together nicely while dropping the unattractive parts. I think the tough part at this point is the strange feeling from not having a prepared set of beliefs to subscribe to. For a long time, I tried to fit in as a Catholic, but I'm not a whole Catholic. I'm not completely atheist either. I'm not totally any one religion.

How can I process the strangeness of not subscribing to one major religion?

I appreciate your input.

:)


Sounds like you might want to look into a syncretic faith or just be a full-blown eclectic. There are Christo-Pagans who blend Christianity with modern Paganism, for instance. These sites might be of interest to you:

http://www.northernway.org/cpinfo.html
http://www.amazon.com/Books-for-the-Christo-Pagan/lm/RNNRNCBU5CU61 <---List of books on Amazon for Christo-Pagans, Christian Wiccans, Christian Witches, Esoteric Christians, and Mystical Christians
http://arganteswell.tripod.com/id1.html (Argante's Well, combining Christian Gnosticism with Wicca)

Other than that, I'm not sure you can just "drop" the unattractive parts of a religion (although I think it is natural to want to do so). All religions have their dark sides, and I don't think those Bible passages are just going to go away if you ignore them. Even atheism has its fair share of unsavory characters. I think it has something to do with the fact that some people are jerks no matter what religion or philosophy they espouse.

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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2011, 12:23:54 pm »
Quote from: Lokabrenna;10187
Sounds like you might want to look into a syncretic faith or just be a full-blown eclectic. There are Christo-Pagans who blend Christianity with modern Paganism, for instance. These sites might be of interest to you:

http://www.northernway.org/cpinfo.html
http://www.amazon.com/Books-for-the-Christo-Pagan/lm/RNNRNCBU5CU61 <---List of books on Amazon for Christo-Pagans, Christian Wiccans, Christian Witches, Esoteric Christians, and Mystical Christians
http://arganteswell.tripod.com/id1.html (Argante's Well, combining Christian Gnosticism with Wicca)

Other than that, I'm not sure you can just "drop" the unattractive parts of a religion (although I think it is natural to want to do so). All religions have their dark sides, and I don't think those Bible passages are just going to go away if you ignore them. Even atheism has its fair share of unsavory characters. I think it has something to do with the fact that some people are jerks no matter what religion or philosophy they espouse.

So the people that sacrifice themselves for others where jerks? No. Jerk is not the answer. The answer is where there is dark there must be light. Where there is good bad also must exist somewhere. People have not perfection and so it would be silly for a religion to be perfect. If it was perfect after all then people wouldn't connect to it as well as it would be harder to comprehend.

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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2011, 12:42:11 pm »
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So the people that sacrifice themselves for others where jerks? No. Jerk is not the answer. The answer is where there is dark there must be light. Where there is good bad also must exist somewhere. People have not perfection and so it would be silly for a religion to be perfect. If it was perfect after all then people wouldn't connect to it as well as it would be harder to comprehend.


That's not what I'm saying at all. The OP said: "There are parts of the Bible that I resonate with, but at the same time, there are parts that are scary to me." What I was trying to say was that, the Bible has bits that condone things like rape and genocide, that's how it was back then, and no one's going to get anywhere by ignoring parts of their religious heritage that make them uncomfortable. People have always tried to justify the horrible things they do each other and to the world around them.

The same sort of thing happens with the gods and goddesses. Do I ignore Freyja's more martial aspects because I'm uncomfortable with the idea of a goddess condoning warfare? Of course not! It's a part of who she is, for better or for worse.

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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2011, 03:54:40 pm »
Quote from: Lokabrenna;10187
Sounds like you might want to look into a syncretic faith or just be a full-blown eclectic. There are Christo-Pagans who blend Christianity with modern Paganism, for instance. These sites might be of interest to you:

http://www.northernway.org/cpinfo.html
http://www.amazon.com/Books-for-the-Christo-Pagan/lm/RNNRNCBU5CU61 <---List of books on Amazon for Christo-Pagans, Christian Wiccans, Christian Witches, Esoteric Christians, and Mystical Christians
http://arganteswell.tripod.com/id1.html (Argante's Well, combining Christian Gnosticism with Wicca)

 
Thank you Lokabrenna for these sites. :)

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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2011, 03:31:11 am »
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There might not be a structured or formal religion that works for you.  And you're not alone in that.  Many of us here at TC are creating our own paths.  (Mine, for example, is focused entirely on Brighid.)

You might find it helpful to sit down and make a list of what you DO believe, rather than what you don't believe, and what you're looking for in a religion.  Do you believe in deity?  Are you a polytheist?  Are you an animist?  Are you interested in ancient religions?  Are you drawn to any particular culture?  Are you more comfortable worshiping in a group or alone?  Do you like formal ritual?  Daily devotionals?  Things like that.

Sometimes seeing it laid out like that will give you ideas for where to start looking for something that fits you.  It can also help you begin building your own path.

We also have a couple of resources here that can help you get started:  TC's Pagan Primer and the Teens and Paganism FAQ.  (Don't be put off by that title -- the FAQ is useful for all ages.  Just ignore the bits about school and parents and such.  ;) )  Both of these documents include numerous links to more info on various subjects, including a variety of pagan paths.

Hope this helps!
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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2011, 08:40:44 am »
Quote from: StarSkye;10128
I am a pagan in formation. All my life I have subscribed to a prescribed set of beliefs, and now I'm trying to make my own from scratch. I feel torn apart. I am from the Catholic church, but I've grown to not believe the dogmas of the church. However, I feel a connection to the saints and the beauty of the religion. There are parts of the Bible that I resonate with, but at the same time, there are parts that are scary to me.

I'm seeking a way to take every little thing that resonates with me and make it all fit together nicely while dropping the unattractive parts. I think the tough part at this point is the strange feeling from not having a prepared set of beliefs to subscribe to. For a long time, I tried to fit in as a Catholic, but I'm not a whole Catholic. I'm not completely atheist either. I'm not totally any one religion.

How can I process the strangeness of not subscribing to one major religion?

I appreciate your input.

:)



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the goal is to become one with nature
and we are always one with nature
we are the embodiment of nature,
our real families are in the trees,
and strange pathways, we have always been a gypsy people
go to the trees, help them and sit with them, they can offer wisdom
support and healing, and bridging connections, all relations, true relations,



Wantism is a way founded by the Ancients (i.e. the trees). At the
time, it was the Religion as it included every
thing, god, goddess, and prophet. These figures were all worshiped and
meditated upon
spontaneously, sometimes all at the same time. The order broke down,
like a rusty car in the wood. It
was covered up by sprouts and tiny grasses of the world and was
referred to as endless harmonious catharsis. Up until 2008, it was
unheard of in the
united states or any other part of the world. Then the spirits were
aligned and had an epiphany and rebirthed the lost book of Wanti. Upon
its birth, there were good feelings and the realization that love
begets love. Since then, the truth has
erupted, gaining back almost all of its previous powers (it actually
never lost them). Many members
have joined, and spirits have worked diligently to regain our faith,
infinite cosmic love.
You can never lose your Spirit!

existence is nonexistence so you must take everything into account and
make it up for yourself

spontaneously our dreams will come into alignment and support
eachother, like the rising and falling of the rhythm of life and death
supports itself, through space and through fullness

for we are all truly on consciousness, in shards, coming together like
ice melting and becoming ice again, such is our shamanic dance through
infinity, as Spirit

gain mana from recycling,
an it harm none do as ye will,

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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2011, 09:27:20 am »
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karma free paganism
the goal is to become one with nature
and we are always one with nature
we are the embodiment of nature,
our real families are in the trees,
and strange pathways, we have always been a gypsy people
go to the trees, help them and sit with them, they can offer wisdom
support and healing, and bridging connections, all relations, true relations,



Wantism is a way founded by the Ancients (i.e. the trees). At the
time, it was the Religion as it included every
thing, god, goddess, and prophet. These figures were all worshiped and
meditated upon
spontaneously, sometimes all at the same time. The order broke down,
like a rusty car in the wood. It
was covered up by sprouts and tiny grasses of the world and was
referred to as endless harmonious catharsis. Up until 2008, it was
unheard of in the
united states or any other part of the world. Then the spirits were
aligned and had an epiphany and rebirthed the lost book of Wanti. Upon
its birth, there were good feelings and the realization that love
begets love. Since then, the truth has
erupted, gaining back almost all of its previous powers (it actually
never lost them). Many members
have joined, and spirits have worked diligently to regain our faith,
infinite cosmic love.
You can never lose your Spirit!

existence is nonexistence so you must take everything into account and
make it up for yourself

spontaneously our dreams will come into alignment and support
eachother, like the rising and falling of the rhythm of life and death
supports itself, through space and through fullness

for we are all truly on consciousness, in shards, coming together like
ice melting and becoming ice again, such is our shamanic dance through
infinity, as Spirit

gain mana from recycling,
an it harm none do as ye will,

Yomo's Blessing

 
You realize, while that certainly sounds poetic, it doesn't actually make any sense?  Can you try running it by again without the flowery language?

I'm pretty sure my ancestors weren't trees.  The lack of bark and leaves kinda gives that away.  soooo ... huh?

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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2011, 10:14:41 am »
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Where can one find more information on "Wantism"?  My Google-fu isn't working for the topic - it points me to pro-entheogen sites only.
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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #9 on: September 04, 2011, 12:10:39 pm »
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You realize, while that certainly sounds poetic, it doesn't actually make any sense?  Can you try running it by again without the flowery language?

I'm pretty sure my ancestors weren't trees.  The lack of bark and leaves kinda gives that away.  soooo ... huh?

 
Perhaps they are metaphors or some sort, bark being thick skin that allows them to lead or leaves to represent something? It is possible, I found it quite poetic and perhaps every reader may find some different meaning behind it.
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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2011, 03:01:01 pm »
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Where can one find more information on "Wantism"?  My Google-fu isn't working for the topic - it points me to pro-entheogen sites only.


Given the content of some of Rainbowgrower's other posts, I suspect pro-entheogen sites are the source of hir ideas.

In fact, the writing style of this e-dot post sounds suspiciously familiar.  

I actually have no problem with people imbibing in such things, if they're safe about it.  As for me, I have decided that my brain is already jacked up enough without psychedellics.  Besides, some of the most meaningful spiritual experiences I have ever had were augmented by nothing stronger than incense.
See, life is but a movement of eternal return.  Even Trees fall ~ Berlin papyrus 3024, (A man tired of life).

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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2011, 03:44:42 pm »
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Where can one find more information on "Wantism"?  My Google-fu isn't working for the topic - it points me to pro-entheogen sites only.


Here,
http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=12473.msg207606#msg207606

and here, for starters.
http://www.ecauldron.net/forum/index.php?topic=12262.msg214337#msg214337

The posting style is similar too.

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Re: New pagan seeking wholeness
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2011, 03:51:56 pm »
Quote from: HeartShadow;17597

I'm pretty sure my ancestors weren't trees.  The lack of bark and leaves kinda gives that away.  soooo ... huh?


Speak for yourself! My ancestors were trees! Er...they were made from trees...don't know how the gods managed it, really.

Oh, I know! It was a Christian revision, obviously! :D

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