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Author Topic: Roman Gods in Germanic Tribes  (Read 1482 times)

Redfaery

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Re: Roman Gods in Germanic Tribes
« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2017, 11:18:15 pm »
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I dont think these issues mattered to pre-Christian pagans, they were not dogmatic.
Why not? Christians didn't invent dogmatism.
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Re: Roman Gods in Germanic Tribes
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2017, 09:54:23 am »
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Well, that is what you typically hear from Vaishnavas. Shaktas tend to treat them as forms of Mahadevi, or to treat one form as the supreme from thereof. ...


Yes, there is that too. Gaudiya Vaishnavas, which includes ISKCON tend towards that. For example, I'm nominally Vaishnava because I run to Vishnu first, primarily as Krishna (whom I do puja for) and secondarily Narasimha, and Lakshmi, but I see only one God with the "masculine" and "feminine" aspects. And each of those aspects manifests as Harihara: Vishnu and Shiva being one and the same, flip sides of the same coin, as my avatar and sig, indicate; and Tridevi: Parvati/Durga (aka Mahadevi aka Devi aka Shakti), Lakshmi and Saraswati.
 
Granted that is not a majority view (but it's not as obscure as one might think - it's quite an ancient view), but my temple is south Indian style, greatly influenced by the Smarta tradition, which also influences me. When the priests do an abishekham for Kanyaka Parameshwari, who is Adiparashakthi, they chant the Sri Suktam, a hymn specifically to Lakshmi. Shaiva and Vaishnava priests alternate and assist in most abishekham-s, as well as devotees of Shiva, Vishnu, Devi, attending any and all pujas. There is a regularly scheduled abishekham in which Durga, Lakshmi and Saraswati are worshiped as one.

My point being that in real life, what you find is a devotee who typically believes in only one God and will worship any and/or all, but focuses on a form of God/dess that resonates with them: jaki rahi bhavana jaisi prabhu murat dekhi tin taisi (one gets the vision of God according to one’s feeling, or everyone sees God in their own meaningful way).

So it is very true and correct to say that anything said about Hinduism, which is really only an umbrella term, and its beliefs and practices is very general. However, some reason sectarianism is given much prominence in writings and on the 'net. I don;t know why that is, because you generally won't find it in temples or talking to the "every day" Hindu.
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Vishnu is the heart of Shiva; Shiva is the heart of Vishnu - Skandopanishad
 

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Re: Roman Gods in Germanic Tribes
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2017, 07:34:54 pm »
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sectarianism is given much prominence in writings and on the 'net. I don;t know why that is, because you generally won't find it in temples or talking to the "every day" Hindu.

Totally accurate. I don't know where people get that idea from. The Hare Krishna monk who was my teacher encouraged me to study all schools of Dharma, even Buddhism. I have never seen any animosity between worshipers of Shiva, Vishnu, or the Devi.
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Re: Roman Gods in Germanic Tribes
« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2017, 05:56:09 am »
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Why not? Christians didn't invent dogmatism.


With respect to pre literate pagan societies, such as Celtic and Germanic, myths were orally transmitted so variations occurred from place to place and through time.

In literate pagan societies where myths were recorded they contain contradictions, precisely because pre Christian pagans were not dogmatic, there was never one perceived truth.

Paganism is orthopraxic not orthodoxic.

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