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So my godphone sucks
« on: December 08, 2013, 08:56:44 pm »
The title basically explains it:P I don't have a very clear "godphone". Is this an ability someone is born with, or can it be developed?

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So my godphone sucks
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2013, 09:12:34 pm »
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The title basically explains it:P I don't have a very clear "godphone". Is this an ability someone is born with, or can it be developed?

So, this is where I'm going to ask for your definition of godphone, and what you're looking to do.  My answer will depend on your starting point.
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Re: So my godphone sucks
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2013, 09:14:43 pm »
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The title basically explains it:P I don't have a very clear "godphone". Is this an ability someone is born with, or can it be developed?

 
It's like skill with music, in my experience:

- Being 'open headed' or a 'god phone' or any of the related things is not just one skill, it's a whole collection of skills, just like being musical is a whole collection of skills.

- It is possible - under the right circumstances and with practice and probably some guidance from experienced people and/or setting up of controlled situations where you can build skills more reliably - to build skills in the area's someone is weaker in.

- Most people have some of that collection of skills that come easier to them and some they have to work harder for. The question is how much work and time and attention you want to put in.

- A few people will be naturally more gifted (find it a lot easier without practice or training).

- And a few people will be the equivalent of tone deaf (have specific things that make it difficult to impossible for them to build those skills.) And some number more will need to put an extreme amount of time and effort and practice in - which is harder to do for deity work than for musical work, just because there's a smaller range of resources, smaller range of people competent to help set up meaningful learning experiences, etc.

(I tend to think it's about 10-15% of people who are really interested find it easy, about 5% find it really unworkable, and most people are in the middle somewhere: the higher percentage on people who find it easy is that people who find being open-headed easy are going to gravitate to situations where it's more likely to happen/be a part of the culture/etc.)

There are a couple of cautions: there are a  bunch of potentially really unsafe techniques out there, and it is possible to do yourself damage by doing the wrong technique, or without good grounding, or if there are other things going on that make it harder for someone to differentiate the information or feedback they're getting. (This is why a lot of groups that teach Drawing Down, aspecting, etc. do it only after ensuring a really extensive training mechanism first.)

This is unlike music, where there's certainly ways you can mess up your heart and your soul and your body if you're not paying attention to safety or well-being, but you're a bit more likely to see it coming (and people in general are a bit more aware of the issues.)

The other part, of course, is that it's a skill that once you have it, it's a bit hard to give up - which is to say, that once you start hearing deities, you may get a lot more noise and bothering from deities, ancestors, spirits, etc. in your life. And it's often hard to tell what it's going to be like for someone until that door is actually open.

This can be problematic with a number of other goals in someone's life - even fairly common ones like some professions, having young children you're principally responsible for, dealing with chronic or acute health issues. Also not generally a problem with learning how to be a musician.

(I get specific stuff from one and a half deities without going looking for it, more specific stuff from specific deities in specific rituals which require some setup and don't happen at random times, and I don't get bothered much at all by other kinds of entities. I know people who have nearly identitcal training to mine but rather different starting points in term of skills who get bothered a lot more frequently, to an extent that it was disruptive to work and relationship priorities for at least six months, and in at least two cases, much much longer. there's often a period during learning some of the skills where things are more intense, but even allowing for that, 'normal' can end up being somewhere you didn't expect at the start.)
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2013, 10:38:38 pm »
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It's like skill with music, in my experience:

- Being 'open headed' or a 'god phone' or any of the related things is not just one skill, it's a whole collection of skills, just like being musical is a whole collection of skills.

- It is possible - under the right circumstances and with practice and probably some guidance from experienced people and/or setting up of controlled situations where you can build skills more reliably - to build skills in the area's someone is weaker in.

- Most people have some of that collection of skills that come easier to them and some they have to work harder for. The question is how much work and time and attention you want to put in.

- A few people will be naturally more gifted (find it a lot easier without practice or training).

- And a few people will be the equivalent of tone deaf (have specific things that make it difficult to impossible for them to build those skills.) And some number more will need to put an extreme amount of time and effort and practice in - which is harder to do for deity work than for musical work, just because there's a smaller range of resources, smaller range of people competent to help set up meaningful learning experiences, etc.

(I tend to think it's about 10-15% of people who are really interested find it easy, about 5% find it really unworkable, and most people are in the middle somewhere: the higher percentage on people who find it easy is that people who find being open-headed easy are going to gravitate to situations where it's more likely to happen/be a part of the culture/etc.)

There are a couple of cautions: there are a  bunch of potentially really unsafe techniques out there, and it is possible to do yourself damage by doing the wrong technique, or without good grounding, or if there are other things going on that make it harder for someone to differentiate the information or feedback they're getting. (This is why a lot of groups that teach Drawing Down, aspecting, etc. do it only after ensuring a really extensive training mechanism first.)

This is unlike music, where there's certainly ways you can mess up your heart and your soul and your body if you're not paying attention to safety or well-being, but you're a bit more likely to see it coming (and people in general are a bit more aware of the issues.)

The other part, of course, is that it's a skill that once you have it, it's a bit hard to give up - which is to say, that once you start hearing deities, you may get a lot more noise and bothering from deities, ancestors, spirits, etc. in your life. And it's often hard to tell what it's going to be like for someone until that door is actually open.

This can be problematic with a number of other goals in someone's life - even fairly common ones like some professions, having young children you're principally responsible for, dealing with chronic or acute health issues. Also not generally a problem with learning how to be a musician.

(I get specific stuff from one and a half deities without going looking for it, more specific stuff from specific deities in specific rituals which require some setup and don't happen at random times, and I don't get bothered much at all by other kinds of entities. I know people who have nearly identitcal training to mine but rather different starting points in term of skills who get bothered a lot more frequently, to an extent that it was disruptive to work and relationship priorities for at least six months, and in at least two cases, much much longer. there's often a period during learning some of the skills where things are more intense, but even allowing for that, 'normal' can end up being somewhere you didn't expect at the start.)

This is interesting. It sounds like an amazing ability, unfortunately I can't even manage to center and ground so....

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Re: So my godphone sucks
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2013, 12:04:15 am »
Quote from: Alice;131835
The title basically explains it:P I don't have a very clear "godphone". Is this an ability someone is born with, or can it be developed?

 
I think it can be developed.  You could start by making offerings and meditating frequently.

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Re: So my godphone sucks
« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2013, 04:26:50 pm »
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So, this is where I'm going to ask for your definition of godphone, and what you're looking to do.  My answer will depend on your starting point.

 
I define it as the ability to communicate with a deity in really any way. Sorry if that's a little vague..My goal would be to have a line of communication with a deity.

Thanks everyone for your replies ^_^

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Re: So my godphone sucks
« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2013, 10:35:04 pm »
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I define it as the ability to communicate with a deity in really any way. Sorry if that's a little vague..My goal would be to have a line of communication with a deity.

Thanks everyone for your replies ^_^

 Problem is, sometimes the gods are already communicating with us, and we don't realize it.

I do believe that a godphone can be developed. But there are certain people who are born with more capacity or ability than others. Same way that everyone can (theoretically) run, but not everyone will be an olypic runner, and some people will need to have assistance in running. (sorry for lame example, its what came to mind, though).

I wrote on having a god-phone not too long ago, meant as a means to help the people I've met who want to develop one (http://thetwistedrope.wordpress.com/2013/07/13/gods-and-god-phones-101/) but I am not sure how helpful it will be.

Frankly, I'd tell you to start with the religious aspects. Work on all of that, and usually the communication will sorta come in time. I spent a lot of time not really talking with my gods at all. And one day my head just broke open all the way, and now I sorta wish I could keep my brains in my dome.

So it's kind of this give and take. And some people are more cut out for it than others. Flipping through some of my posts about energy working and things like that may help- I found that vision questing, visualization practice, and dancing helped me the most. But I think tat it's also about learning your communication style, or your deity's communication style.



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Re: So my godphone sucks
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2013, 09:01:44 am »
Quote from: Alice;131835
The title basically explains it:P I don't have a very clear "godphone". Is this an ability someone is born with, or can it be developed?


Some quickie thoughts here:  There are only a couple of areas in my life where I have had the ability you describe;  my intuitive/psychic readings and my magickal workings.  Honestly, it seems the key is to do two things: 1) be precise in your objective.  Have a clear goal in mind and 2) allow your mind to "blank" or go into a completely receptive non-thinking state.  Of course, some activities don't permit you to blank your mind but it appears that super-talented people can move rapidly BETWEEN attention and open/blank-mindedness very rapidly; musicians, artists, martial artists, etc., etc.

Hope this is somewhat helpful. :)
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Re: So my godphone sucks
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2013, 09:05:54 am »
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I think it can be developed.  You could start by making offerings and meditating frequently.

 
I agree with this completely. I was doing a self guided meditation on another Goddess when Sekhmet stepped in. It was completely a surprise...if you're open to the possibility it will happen.

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